[Growwine] Wine Bottle Closures

[Paul Troop]

Several wineries on the coast are using Diam with good results. The physical 
appearance is certainly a consideration for a commercial situation. I intend 
on using them for a winery that is not in favour of screw caps.

Paul
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry Rayner" <terry.rayner at sympatico.ca>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] Wine Bottle Closures


> We looked into the Diam cork and got samples from Gail Hildred but we
> weren't happy with the look of the cork.
>
> Terry
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Troop" <paul at vivezza.com>
> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 5:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Wine Bottle Closures
>
>
>> Diam is available through http://www.oeneoclosuresusa.com I believe you
>> have
>> to purchase 1000. the price delivered should be about 20 - 25 cents.
>>
>> Paul
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ryan Daum" <ryan at darksleep.com>
>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Wine Bottle Closures
>>
>>
>>>I don't suppose corks of this type are available to the amateur market
>>> at all?  What if a group of amateurs were to buy together?
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2007-11-13 at 17:14 -0400, mauro at ridgepointwines.com wrote:
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> We at RIdgepoint wines decided not to go to screw caps. They have their
>>>> own set
>>>> of problems that dont get mentioned too often.  You have to also ensure
>>>> the
>>>> capper is working properly to ensure there was a proper seal.  We moved
>>>> to the
>>>> Diam cork, which is considered a Technical Cork.  Its natural cork that
>>>> been
>>>> ground up, washed in a liquid co2 bath and then glued back together 
>>>> with
>>>> an
>>>> inert glue.  THis process also results in every cork being identical 
>>>> and
>>>> therefore no bottle variations exists.  At the end of the day we have
>>>> cork that
>>>> is guaranteed cork taint free and allows the wine to age gracefully. 
>>>> In
>>>> addition, cork supports cork farming and has a lower carbon footprint
>>>> then
>>>> screw caps
>>>>
>>>> Mauro
>>>> Ridgepoint Wines
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Quoting Paul Bulas <pabls at yahoo.com>:
>>>>
>>>> > I will add that as a consumer, I have had okay luck with solid,
>>>> > high-quality cork - although two recent good wines I bought had good
>>>> > corks and ... they were badly corked!!  More and more I am getting
>>>> > partial to the screwcap.  I definitely dislike synthetic corks - I
>>>> > get a vinyl-like plasticky thing in many of the wines; reds taste
>>>> > strangely thin under these plastic corks.  And besides, what do fake
>>>> > corks do that a screwcap can't do better?
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message ----
>>>> > From: John
>>>> > To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:26:12 AM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Growwine] Wine Bottle Closures
>>>> >
>>>> > Most of the manufacturers of synthetic corks originally had some
>>>> > problems which may have ben addressed. The hard plastic corks
>>>> > (Supreme?) were dificult to remove and provided too much of a seal.
>>>> > Noma had their share of problems as well. We tested them and had
>>>> > oxidation problems, the skin curled up when inserted into the bottle,
>>>> > leakers, etc. They now have resolved most of these issues, I believe.
>>>> > They have 4 different ones that I am familiar with. The cheapest is
>>>> > really only for maximum 12 month storage so you have to choose the
>>>> > correct one to suit your needs. Sabate made the Altec and had lots of
>>>> > TCA problems that took years to resolve, but now they have a
>>>> > reasonably priced synthetic called the Diam and I have used them as
>>>> > an amateur for years. The KW Winemakers Club has gone through 20 or
>>>> > 30 thousand of these with no problems that I am aware of. Several
>>>> > wineries in the area use them.   At Kacaba, we use only good quality
>>>> > corks (cost about $.50 ea). If we were to choose an alternative , we
>>>> > woud go screw cap. We sell to a lot of licencees (restaraunts) and
>>>> > they tell us that they and their customers prefer corks first, then
>>>> > screw cap and finally synthetics.   John
>>>> >
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mauro Scarsellone
>>>> Ridgepoint Wines
>>>> 3900 Cherry Avenue
>>>> Vineland, ON
>>>> L0R 2C0
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