From littlefatwino at trytel.net Sat Oct 27 05:58:12 2007 From: littlefatwino at trytel.net (Larry Paterson) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 05:58:12 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] From Alan Baker: Malolactic Message-ID: <000c01c8187f$f81fdc90$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C> From: J & A Baker [mailto:jabaker at accesswave.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:39 AM To: Growwine (growwine at littlefatwino.com) Subject: Malolactic When using Bacchus, the prepackaged Malolactic culture, is it better to rehydrate the culture in a similar fashion to yeasts or should it be added directly to the wine in question? Perhaps Sigrid would comment? Alan Baker No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.5/1084 - Release Date: 10/21/2007 3:09 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20071027/d0bf6d2c/attachment.html From countrymouse at ns.sympatico.ca Sat Oct 27 14:03:00 2007 From: countrymouse at ns.sympatico.ca (Elayne Mott) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:03:00 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] found Message-ID: <20071027180300.HCVB28304.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp8.sympatico.ca> Really gald to see that you found yourself again..... Elayne "Have a grape day." From midmp at abacom.com Mon Oct 29 02:05:25 2007 From: midmp at abacom.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Martin_Par=E9?=) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:05:25 -0800 Subject: [Growwine] OT - Hops Message-ID: <472507A5.30889.82E0701@midmp.abacom.com> Hello group, sorry for the Off-topic question but I believe we have a few botany inclined people on the list. Hops: some references suggests the "wild" hops that can be found in various places around NewEngland and southern Quebec are some escapes from old farmstead not necessarily humulus lupulus subv. lupuloides, the american hop. I've been noticing hops in a few places around the Estern Townships, not near the 2 farms I know to grow some hops. the 4 places happen to be near or on old Protestant/loyalist settlements or farms. maybe just a coincidence, but leads me to believe they are escapes. If they would be wild, would'nt they be all over the place like riparia grapes ? How can I distinghuish between escape and wild ? I may gather some rhizomes for the fun of it. martin From littlefatwino at trytel.net Mon Oct 29 08:03:25 2007 From: littlefatwino at trytel.net (Larry Paterson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:03:25 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Something a little different Message-ID: <003e01c81a23$b9473bd0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C> On behalf of the Amateur Winemakers of Canada, I am doing some research, and would like to make a listing of members of any Canadian amateur wine, beer or cider club who have made the leap from amateur to commercial. This should include Canadians now making commercial products in the USA or elsewhere. Please send your comments or information to me at littlefatwino at trytel.net and in time I will start putting the information online and report back. many thanks Lardy Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic) http://www.littlefatwino.com/ From walter_and_mary at yahoo.com Mon Oct 29 08:54:31 2007 From: walter_and_mary at yahoo.com (Walter Cartwright) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 05:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Growwine] Sommelier Message-ID: <617597.55719.qm@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi to all I have been in the brewing industry for twenty two years, In recent years I have been making my own wine from grapes from California. My wife and I are thinking of moving to Prince Edward County, It was recognized as a wine growing area in May this year. I am at present finishing my Sommelier accreditation at Algonquin College in Ottawa. Looking forward to news and information on grapes, wine making and pruning. Take care Walter :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From vspeer at mchsi.com Mon Oct 29 08:55:01 2007 From: vspeer at mchsi.com (Vernon Speer) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:55:01 -0500 Subject: [Growwine] Apple ice stuff... Message-ID: <859565D8-FA34-4D33-87A3-7CCE74E53510@mchsi.com> Hey gang, I can use a little help. Last year I tried to make a little apple ice wine...and failed miserably. I couldn't get my yeast to bloom so the first two trials went into the drain after souring. The third time I succeeded in fermenting the wine but used a strain of yeast so aggressive that it fermented the must dry before I realized my timing (or lack of timing) mistake. I bottled what I considered to be a very inferior cider and left it in the cellar to lose it's edge...vowing never again to venture into the apple ice wine arena. Until yesterday... I got a call from a bud of mine in Atlanta. He's one of a few friends I get with every year to go fly fishing in the Ozarks in Arkansas and I always bring down a case or two of odds and ends. He's got a pretty good palate, even for an old guy, and said that the mystery bottle I had asked him to try...was one of the best tokay aszu he'd every tasted. Okay, I can live with that. So here's a few questions Is one apple superior to another? Does pH mean anything with apple juice or do you just work what comes with the must? What brix are you looking for? Do you chaptalize? Which yeast would you recommend? What residual sugar content do you cut off fermentation at...or do you just let the yeast die off at the higher alcohol level? Do you fortify...with brandy or grain alcohol? Any help will be greatly appreciated. I'll submit my cellar notes to the site as the wine progresses (if anyone is interested) Thanks, Vernon Speer Four Cats and a Cellar Whinery Missouri From littlefatwino at trytel.net Mon Oct 29 11:05:43 2007 From: littlefatwino at trytel.net (Larry Paterson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:05:43 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Articles about Norfolk County wineries and growers Message-ID: <001a01c81a3d$7330e2d0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C> Hi everyone: It's really neat to see stories like the one below about people on the list. Please continue to forward them to me or send them through (just make the title obvious so that those not interested can delete them). I suspect that Villa Nova Winery is a retirement project by Carol Ryan to keep Phil Ryan out of trouble... http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=746997&auth=Penny+Gumbert well done Norfolk Lardy Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic) http://www.littlefatwino.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20071029/c322214c/attachment.html From redwine at charter.net Mon Oct 29 14:39:14 2007 From: redwine at charter.net (Rob McDowell) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:39:14 -0500 Subject: [Growwine] St. Pats Message-ID: Folks, I just received a tank today I ordered from St. Pats of Texas October 22. It was packed with 2 layers of heavy card board, one layer of 1/8" masonite, and one layer of bubble wrap. The price was the best in the US, shipping was reasonable. What a lot of people don't realize is that dealing with an internet business comes with responsibility for the buyer also-to keep good pricing, deep stock, and fast shipping from the seller it's necessary for the buyer to fit with the sellers business model. I'll gladly forgo chatty handholding for price and stock. I'm pleased. However, I can understand that fitting into that business model might be difficult for Canadian customers. BTW, first killing frost in Plattsburgh last night, 24f. Almost made November. Rob McDowell Purple Gate Vineyard Plattsburgh, NY From canadavintage at hotmail.com Mon Oct 29 22:21:28 2007 From: canadavintage at hotmail.com (CanadaVintage) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:21:28 -0800 Subject: [Growwine] Articles about Norfolk County wineries and growers References: <001a01c81a3d$7330e2d0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C> Message-ID: This is a story that needs to make it to the top of MAPAQ. I encourage anyone to send a copy. In Quebec, tobacco farmers are really finding it difficult to carve a new market for themselves after the government stopped buying tobacco from Quebec growers and now allows companies to import nearly 100% from china and abroad. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Paterson To: Growwine List Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:05 AM Subject: [Growwine] Articles about Norfolk County wineries and growers Hi everyone: It's really neat to see stories like the one below about people on the list. Please continue to forward them to me or send them through (just make the title obvious so that those not interested can delete them). I suspect that Villa Nova Winery is a retirement project by Carol Ryan to keep Phil Ryan out of trouble... http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=746997&auth=Penny+Gumbert well done Norfolk Lardy Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic) http://www.littlefatwino.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20071029/6a3feadd/attachment.html From littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca Mon Oct 29 21:49:06 2007 From: littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca (Larry Paterson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:49:06 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Fw: From Alan Baker: Malolactic Message-ID: <007901c81a98$9a096fc0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C> >From Sigrid, Lallemand... Lardy Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic) http://www.littlefatwino.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Gertsen-Briand Sigrid To: Larry Paterson Cc: jabaker at accesswave.ca Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: RE: [Growwine] From Alan Baker: Malolactic Greetings! 1) Bacchus and all our MBR bacteria (31, VP41, Elios) should ideally be rehydrated in 20?C water for about 5-10 minutes- then added to the wine. No nutrients should be added to the rehydration water, they should be added directly to the wine. So, YES! bacteria are very different from the yeast protocol. 2) If you wanted to, you can also add the bacteria directly to the wine but there will be a little bit more of a lag phase for the bacteria to get going (as would you if you were jumping cold-turkey into wine conditions from a dormant state!). 3) In very difficult wine conditions- low pH, high S02, low temps, high alcohol, let me know... one can do a slight build-up of the culture (a few hours at half wine/half water) to help adapt the bacteria even more to these rough conditions. Kind regards, Sigrid From: J & A Baker [mailto:] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:39 AM To: Growwine (growwine at littlefatwino.com) Subject: Malolactic When using Bacchus, the prepackaged Malolactic culture, is it better to rehydrate the culture in a similar fashion to yeasts or should it be added directly to the wine in question? Perhaps Sigrid would comment? Alan Baker No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20071029/cbaf16af/attachment.html From littlefatwino at trytel.net Tue Oct 30 09:52:31 2007 From: littlefatwino at trytel.net (Larry Paterson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:52:31 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Fw: Articles about Norfolk County wineries and growers Message-ID: <00fb01c81afc$212da760$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C> From: Phil Ryan To: Larry Paterson Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [Growwine] Articles about Norfolk County wineries and growers Hi Larry and Growwine; We promised to send a notice to Growwine about our opening, but this article came out in advance. We are indeed open for business, and we are not alone. At least 2 more wineries will open in Norfolk County within a year, and people have plans for another 3 that I am aware of. Growwine and Winetalk were very important in getting us to this stage. The networks that they facilitate have helped us learn and problem solve, and most importantly find the right people to help us at different stages. We offer special thanks for the great help from Larry Patterson, Bob Gibbon, Jim Warren, Helen Fisher and Herb Taylor. You can find us on the net at www.villanovaestatewinery.ca Carol and Phil Ryan Villa Nova Estate Winery RR4 (1449 Con. 13) Simcoe Ont. N3Y 4K3 www.villanovaestatewinery.ca vnefv at bis.on.ca 519-443-8787 ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Paterson To: Growwine List Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: [Growwine] Articles about Norfolk County wineries and growers Hi everyone: It's really neat to see stories like the one below about people on the list. Please continue to forward them to me or send them through (just make the title obvious so that those not interested can delete them). I suspect that Villa Nova Winery is a retirement project by Carol Ryan to keep Phil Ryan out of trouble... http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=746997&auth=Penny+Gumbert well done Norfolk Lardy Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic) http://www.littlefatwino.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20071030/03aff11b/attachment.html From defaria at hughes.net Tue Oct 30 12:22:45 2007 From: defaria at hughes.net (defaria@hughes.net) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Growwine] St. Pats Message-ID: <24233373.1193761365295.JavaMail.?@fh122.dia.he.tucows.com> Rob Wrote: However, I can understand that fitting into that business model might be difficult for Canadian customers. Not anymore Rob! We are getting 5% discount these days.. Duke DeFaira Defaria Vineyareds From midmp at abacom.com Wed Oct 31 02:31:04 2007 From: midmp at abacom.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Martin_Par=E9?=) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:31:04 -0800 Subject: [Growwine] St. Pats In-Reply-To: <24233373.1193761365295.JavaMail.?@fh122.dia.he.tucows.com> References: <24233373.1193761365295.JavaMail.?@fh122.dia.he.tucows.com> Message-ID: <4727B0A8.22634.102D487@midmp.abacom.com> Sheesh, strong canadian dollar, not at SAQ stores. Was in the North East Kingdom (Vermont) yesterday. Yellow critter 6.99 . Bonny Doon's Big House Red was 10.99 $US at Shaw's. SAQ retails is 18.30 $ CAN. Beside that, enjoyable outing in that area to visit a yogurt farm. btw, and more on-topic with the list, any growiners in the 3 counties of NEK? martin in l'Estrie On 30 Oct 2007 at 16:22, defaria at hughes.net wrote: > Rob Wrote: > However, I can understand > that fitting into that business model might be difficult for Canadian > customers. > > > Not anymore Rob! We are getting 5% discount these days.. > Duke DeFaira > Defaria Vineyareds > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > From canadavintage at hotmail.com Wed Oct 31 12:04:24 2007 From: canadavintage at hotmail.com (CanadaVintage) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:04:24 -0800 Subject: [Growwine] St. Pats References: <24233373.1193761365295.JavaMail.?@fh122.dia.he.tucows.com> <4727B0A8.22634.102D487@midmp.abacom.com> Message-ID: Speaking of our beloved SAQ, here is a funny article in the morning paper: Oh, grow up: This holiday is for kids MIKE BOONE, The Gazette Published: 5 hours ago The latest SAQ marketing ploy: artificial delirium tremens. When I popped into my local booze store on Saturday morning, the clerk at the cash was a handsome young man dressed as a beautiful young woman. Whoa, better double-check my shopping cart. This 40-pounder of VO might not be quite enough. Of course, this wasn't a hallucination. Just another shopping day in the wild and crazy suburbs. With a mere 96 hours until Oct. 31, the SAQ staff were in full Halloween regalia. If this much of a lead-up is the norm, they'll be squeezing themselves into Santa's elf tights by about Dec. 5. As a card-carrying curmudgeon whose misanthropy has carried me through more Happy Hours than I can count, I found Halloween spirit amid the shelves of spirits quite dispiriting. It also made me feel old, because I can remember when Halloween was for children. (I can also remember when the only costumes at a Quebec liquor store were the garnet smocks worn by dour clerks who would disappear into a mysterious back room to retrieve your order, wrapped in a paper bag lest anyone catch a glimpse of the demon rum. If any of those guys had come to work in drag, Maurice Duplessis would have had had him on a road gang up north.) I am not old enough, however, to remember Pope Gregory III. During his papacy, 731 to 741, Halloween - a Celtic ritual that involved dressing as ghosts to ward off evil spirits - became a Christian holiday on which people were encouraged to dress as saints and feed the poor. Halloween was brought to North America by Irish Catholic descendants of the Celts. The last night of October was an occasion for pranks, and Halloween treats were a bribe to protect property from pranksters. Halloween evolved into a children's holiday in the early part of the 20th century. It didn't become an occasion for alleged adults to wear costumes until the latter decades of the 1900s, when baby-boomers began to grapple, unsuccessfully, with the horrifying notion that they couldn't be children forever. We can look forward to the annual Halloween parties at the Strawberry Fields nursing home, where residents will be wheeled in wearing their bell-bottoms, tie-dyed Ts and Shawn Phillips wigs. The commodification of eternal youthfulness manifests itself in cross-dressing service personnel. Because no industry is more blithe-spirited than banking, we can expect to see tellers tricked out in full Halloween regalia today. But there's a dilemma down the road. Once the banks have eliminated the last vestiges of human contact, how will they mark Halloween? Perhaps the ATMs will become R2D2 for a day. For now it's still ghosts, witches, goblins - and Dumbledore costumes, priced to move. - - - Tonight will be quiet again on my suburban street, which exemplifies Quebec's demographic problem. In a block of 26 townhouses, we've got four children - and 12 dogs. The canines are very happy to do tricks and get treats. Whether they'll collect for UNICEF or become pension-fund contributors in 15 years is another story. mboone at thegazette.canwest.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Par?" To: "growing Wine in Cold Climates" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [Growwine] St. Pats > Sheesh, strong canadian dollar, not at SAQ stores. Was in the North East > Kingdom (Vermont) yesterday. Yellow critter 6.99 . Bonny Doon's Big House > Red was 10.99 $US at Shaw's. SAQ retails is 18.30 $ CAN. > > Beside that, enjoyable outing in that area to visit a yogurt farm. > > btw, and more on-topic with the list, any growiners in the 3 counties of NEK? > > martin in l'Estrie > > On 30 Oct 2007 at 16:22, defaria at hughes.net wrote: > > > Rob Wrote: > > However, I can understand > > that fitting into that business model might be difficult for Canadian > > customers. > > > > > > Not anymore Rob! We are getting 5% discount these days.. > > Duke DeFaira > > Defaria Vineyareds > > _______________________________________________ > > Growwine mailing list > > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > From pabls at yahoo.com Wed Oct 31 21:32:58 2007 From: pabls at yahoo.com (Paul Bulas) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Growwine] Definitely one from the odd bin Message-ID: <163523.19764.qm@web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Just forwarding this to our Growwine community. Maybe someone has an excess squirrel situation? Here's a possible remedy ... New Jersey squirrels deemed safe as table fare! http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/071030/oddities/us_animals_gastronomy_offbeat Be smarter than spam. 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