From gt.hansson at gmail.com  Fri Feb  1 16:37:59 2008
From: gt.hansson at gmail.com (Gerth Hansson)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:37:59 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] In Search of GM318 or Reisling
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Isn't Geisenheim Phylloxera resistant.... or are there other reasons
why this is grafted?

/gth

On 1/29/08, Neil <neil at coffinridge.ca> wrote:
> Yes
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com
> [mailto:growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com] On Behalf Of Gerth Hansson
> Sent: January 29, 2008 01:45
> To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
> Subject: Re: [Growwine] In Search of GM318 or Reisling
>
> Gm 318   --- is that Geisenheim 318?
> /gth
>
> On 1/16/08, Neil <neil at coffinridge.ca> wrote:
> > Gemmricht Nurseries in Niagara on the Lake have GM 318 on 3309
> rootstock
> > and a few SO4 rootstock.  gwnvines.com
> >
> >
> > Neil
> > Coffin Ridge
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com
> > [mailto:growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com] On Behalf Of Karen Enright
> > Sent: January 16, 2008 10:10
> > To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
> > Subject: [Growwine] In Search of GM318 or Reisling
> >
> > Does anyone have year old rooted GM318 or Reisling vines for sale?
> I'm
> > looking for approximately 700.
> >
> >
> >
> > Karen Enright
> > Arcadie House Vineyards
> > Bear River East, NS
> > _______________________________________________
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From andrew.bennett at ns.sympatico.ca  Fri Feb  1 18:59:42 2008
From: andrew.bennett at ns.sympatico.ca (Andrew Bennett)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:59:42 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] In Search of GM318 or Reisling
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On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:37:59 -0500, "Gerth Hansson" <gt.hansson at gmail.com> wrote:

>Isn't Geisenheim Phylloxera resistant.... or are there other reasons
>why this is grafted?
>
>/gth

I have no reason to believe GM318-57 is phylloxera resistant ...

My last batch (from Mori) was on 3309 because I wanted to reduce
the vigour. Most of mine are on their own roots and are fruitful
and vigorous on this site ... and a lot cheaper as I strike my own
cuttings. I am hoping for higher Brix and reduced summer pruning
on 3309 - probably with reduced yield.

On SO4 they are at least as vigorous as own-rooted.

Andrew Bennett, Avondale Vineyard, Nova Scotia.

From vigdespins at aol.com  Sat Feb  2 07:53:02 2008
From: vigdespins at aol.com (vigdespins@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:53:02 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] In Search of GM318 or Reisling
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I had more success with 318 on own roots and I have a clay loam with quite a bit of phyllox pressure.

The grafted vines on SO4 were very vigorous and gave very tight bunches which led to bunch rot and too much productivity. I had chosen SO4 because of the clay loam which tended to devigorate.

The 322 on the other hand does very well on SO4 and?was very stunted on own roots in my soil situation.



Gilles in Sabrevois


---- Original Message ----
From: Gerth Hansson <gt.hansson at gmail.com>
To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
Sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 4:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Growwine] In Search of GM318 or Reisling




Isn't Geisenheim Phylloxera resistant.... or are there other reasons
why this is grafted?

/gth

On 1/29/08, Neil <neil at coffinridge.ca> wrote:
> Yes
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com
> [mailto:growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com] On Behalf Of Gerth Hansson
> Sent: January 29, 2008 01:45
> To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
> Subject: Re: [Growwine] In Search of GM318 or Reisling
>
> Gm 318   --- is that Geisenheim 318?
> /gth
>
> On 1/16/08, Neil <neil at coffinridge.ca> wrote:
> > Gemmricht Nurseries in Niagara on the Lake have GM 318 on 3309
> rootstock
> > and a few SO4 rootstock.  gwnvines.com
> >
> >
> > Neil
> > Coffin Ridge
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com
> > [mailto:growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com] On Behalf Of Karen Enright
> > Sent: January 16, 2008 10:10
> > To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
> > Subject: [Growwine] In Search of GM318 or Reisling
> >
> > Does anyone have year old rooted GM318 or Reisling vines for sale?
> I'm
> > looking for approximately 700.
> >
> >
> >
> > Karen Enright
> > Arcadie House Vineyards
> > Bear River East, NS
> > _______________________________________________
> > Growwine mailing list
> > Growwine at littlefatwino.com
> > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine
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> >
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From andrew.bennett at ns.sympatico.ca  Sat Feb  2 10:37:41 2008
From: andrew.bennett at ns.sympatico.ca (Andrew Bennett)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:37:41 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] In Search of GM318 or Reisling
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On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:53:02 -0500, Gilles in Sabrevois wrote:

>
>I had more success with 318 on own roots and I have a clay 
>loam with quite a bit of phyllox pressure.

Good to hear. That is important information about the phylloxera!

I initially thought my own-rooted GM318-57 were less vigorous than 
on S04 but over the years they caught up, presumably as the roots 
got deeper.
>
>The grafted vines on SO4 were very vigorous and gave very tight 
>bunches which led to bunch rot and too much productivity. I had 
>chosen SO4 because of the clay loam which tended to devigorate.

Exactly our problem ... apart from our knowing that our soil
invigorated from the start.
>
>Gilles in Sabrevois
>
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: Gerth Hansson <gt.hansson at gmail.com>
>To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
>Sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 4:37 pm
>Subject: Re: [Growwine] In Search of GM318 or Reisling
>
>
>
>
>Isn't Geisenheim Phylloxera resistant.... or are there other reasons
>why this is grafted?

Andrew Bennett, Avondale Vineyard, Nova Scotia.

From littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca  Sat Feb  2 11:09:31 2008
From: littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca (Larry Paterson)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:09:31 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Gm 318 and GM 322
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Andrew, Gilles, anyone else:

can anyone provide an idea of what kind of yield (either some grape weight, 
or wine yield, whatever is easiest) is achieved with GM 318 or GM 322?

Also, how well do these hang in the fall if a person were interested in 
dessert-style wines.  Would either hang long enough for icewine production?

I've had a couple of great dessert wines from Quebec made from these 
(including the one made by Gilles).

Lardy

Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)

http://www.littlefatwino.com/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Bennett" <andrew.bennett at ns.sympatico.ca>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] In Search of GM318 or Reisling


On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:53:02 -0500, Gilles in Sabrevois wrote:

>
>I had more success with 318 on own roots and I have a clay
>loam with quite a bit of phyllox pressure.

Good to hear. That is important information about the phylloxera!

I initially thought my own-rooted GM318-57 were less vigorous than
on S04 but over the years they caught up, presumably as the roots
got deeper.
>
>The grafted vines on SO4 were very vigorous and gave very tight
>bunches which led to bunch rot and too much productivity. I had
>chosen SO4 because of the clay loam which tended to devigorate.

Exactly our problem ... apart from our knowing that our soil
invigorated from the start.
>
>Gilles in Sabrevois
>
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: Gerth Hansson <gt.hansson at gmail.com>
>To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
>Sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 4:37 pm
>Subject: Re: [Growwine] In Search of GM318 or Reisling
>
>
>
>
>Isn't Geisenheim Phylloxera resistant.... or are there other reasons
>why this is grafted?

Andrew Bennett, Avondale Vineyard, Nova Scotia.
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From ryan at darksleep.com  Sat Feb  2 11:20:01 2008
From: ryan at darksleep.com (Ryan Daum)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:20:01 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Gm 318 and GM 322
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In my backyard, admittedly not a labratory of typical growing
conditions, GM-318 is a victim of just about every kind of fungal
infection (black rot, powdery mildew, downy mildew) possible. Right
beside it, my de Chaunac trucks on through every summer without any kind
of spraying, drowning the GM-318 in its leaves and shoots.

GM-318 makes very tasty wine, but it seems very disease prone.

Ryan

On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 11:09 -0500, Larry Paterson wrote:
> Andrew, Gilles, anyone else:
> 
> can anyone provide an idea of what kind of yield (either some grape weight, 
> or wine yield, whatever is easiest) is achieved with GM 318 or GM 322?
> 
> Also, how well do these hang in the fall if a person were interested in 
> dessert-style wines.  Would either hang long enough for icewine production?
> 
> I've had a couple of great dessert wines from Quebec made from these 
> (including the one made by Gilles).
> 
> Lardy
> 
> Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
> (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)
> 
> http://www.littlefatwino.com/
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Bennett" <andrew.bennett at ns.sympatico.ca>
> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 10:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Growwine] In Search of GM318 or Reisling
> 
> 
> On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:53:02 -0500, Gilles in Sabrevois wrote:
> 
> >
> >I had more success with 318 on own roots and I have a clay
> >loam with quite a bit of phyllox pressure.
> 
> Good to hear. That is important information about the phylloxera!
> 
> I initially thought my own-rooted GM318-57 were less vigorous than
> on S04 but over the years they caught up, presumably as the roots
> got deeper.
> >
> >The grafted vines on SO4 were very vigorous and gave very tight
> >bunches which led to bunch rot and too much productivity. I had
> >chosen SO4 because of the clay loam which tended to devigorate.
> 
> Exactly our problem ... apart from our knowing that our soil
> invigorated from the start.
> >
> >Gilles in Sabrevois
> >
> >
> >---- Original Message ----
> >From: Gerth Hansson <gt.hansson at gmail.com>
> >To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
> >Sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 4:37 pm
> >Subject: Re: [Growwine] In Search of GM318 or Reisling
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Isn't Geisenheim Phylloxera resistant.... or are there other reasons
> >why this is grafted?
> 
> Andrew Bennett, Avondale Vineyard, Nova Scotia.
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From pabls at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  2 11:36:13 2008
From: pabls at yahoo.com (Paul Bulas)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 08:36:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Growwine] Gm 318 and GM 322
Message-ID: <138433.93861.qm@web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I've had a number of GM318 wines, and while I agree they are pleasant, I wonder if they are that much better than, for example, a carefully made Cayuga from well tended, crop-thinned vines.  

I picked Cayuga in Halton Hills for my homemade wine in '06, a year that had really bad disease pressure due to the cold and rainy ripening season.  Cayuga was the best looking grape in the vineyard with no visible signs of fungal rot, and the grapes weren't even cracking.  That's a variety I think gets too little attention, in southern Ontario at least.


----- Original Message ----
From: Ryan Daum <ryan at darksleep.com>
To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2008 11:20:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] Gm 318 and GM 322

In my backyard, admittedly not a labratory of typical growing
conditions, GM-318 is a victim of just about every kind of fungal
infection (black rot, powdery mildew, downy mildew) possible. Right
beside it, my de Chaunac trucks on through every summer without any kind
of spraying, drowning the GM-318 in its leaves and shoots.

GM-318 makes very tasty wine, but it seems very disease prone.

Ryan


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From vigdespins at aol.com  Sat Feb  2 11:36:44 2008
From: vigdespins at aol.com (vigdespins@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:36:44 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Gm 318 and GM 322
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Both 318 and 322 can be very productive to a fault. 318 is much earlier to ripen ,thin skinned : 322 is late ripening similar to Vidal and thick skinned but I have found that the bunch stem is fragile while you?wait for Ice wine temps(they break and fall in the net or to?the ground).Flavours of 318 get pretty dull when late picked but 322 is almost Gewurtz./spicy.



Gilles


---- Original Message ----
From: Larry Paterson <littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca>
To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
Sent: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:09 am
Subject: [Growwine] Gm 318 and GM 322




Andrew, Gilles, anyone else:

can anyone provide an idea of what kind of yield (either some grape weight, 
or wine yield, whatever is easiest) is achieved with GM 318 or GM 322?

Also, how well do these hang in the fall if a person were interested in 
dessert-style wines.  Would either hang long enough for icewine production?

I've had a couple of great dessert wines from Quebec made from these 
(including the one made by Gilles).

Lardy

Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)

http://www.littlefatwino.com/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Bennett" <andrew.bennett at ns.sympatico.ca>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] In Search of GM318 or Reisling


On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:53:02 -0500, Gilles in Sabrevois wrote:

>
>I had more success with 318 on own roots and I have a clay
>loam with quite a bit of phyllox pressure.

Good to hear. That is important information about the phylloxera!

I initially thought my own-rooted GM318-57 were less vigorous than
on S04 but over the years they caught up, presumably as the roots
got deeper.
>
>The grafted vines on SO4 were very vigorous and gave very tight
>bunches which led to bunch rot and too much productivity. I had
>chosen SO4 because of the clay loam which tended to devigorate.

Exactly our problem ... apart from our knowing that our soil
invigorated from the start.
>
>Gilles in Sabrevois
>
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: Gerth Hansson <gt.hansson at gmail.com>
>To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
>Sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 4:37 pm
>Subject: Re: [Growwine] In Search of GM318 or Reisling
>
>
>
>
>Isn't Geisenheim Phylloxera resistant.... or are there other reasons
>why this is grafted?

Andrew Bennett, Avondale Vineyard, Nova Scotia.
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From pabls at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  2 12:21:18 2008
From: pabls at yahoo.com (Paul Bulas)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:21:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Growwine] Another obscure one:  Ontario
Message-ID: <831185.60772.qm@web56810.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I notice on Lon's website a page on Ontario, an early-ripening labrusca-type grape.  I can't think of anyone ever mentioning growing this variety today in its namesake province.  Super-gigantic Winegrape Glossary says the following:

ONTARIO: 
Developed in 1908 at the N.Y. Research Station, it is now used sparingly as a white tablegrape because of its strong American labruscana flavor. It in turn was derived from the Winchell and Moore's Diamond cultivars. Its main claim to fame is being one of the parents, the other being Zinfandel, of the Schuyler hybrid cultivar.

What kind of numbers (winemaking parameters) can be expected from this grape?  Is it basically another Niagara-like vine?

Thanks.


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From lonrom at hevanet.com  Sat Feb  2 12:33:48 2008
From: lonrom at hevanet.com (Lon J. Rombough)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:33:48 -0800
Subject: [Growwine] Another obscure one:  Ontario
In-Reply-To: <831185.60772.qm@web56810.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <831185.60772.qm@web56810.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <642670c32d0950ff647275cb855f9897@hevanet.com>

Ontario is a lot milder in labrusca flavor than Niagara, and can have 
very large clusters in good conditions.  It's biggest claim to fame is 
that it's a parent of more good grapes than just about any other 
American variety.  It's the female parent of Himrod, Interlaken, 
Lakemont, Romulus, Reliance, and more.  It's the male parent of 
Edelweiss, Schuyler, Yates, and more that I forget at the moment.
	It was an attempt to get a grape with the light, fruity labrusca 
flavor of Diamond, but with less tendency to cracking.  In a lot of 
ways it was quite successful at that, too.  It's slightly more fussy 
about soil than Diamond, but not terribly so.  On fertile soils it's 
more productive and doesn't have the unmanageable vigor of Niagara.
	But I've never found a winery trying Ontario for wine.
-Lon Rombough
Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape Grower, at 
http://www.bunchgrapes.com  Winner of the Garden Writers Association 
"Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003.
For even more grape lessons, go to  http://www.grapeschool.com
For all other things grape,   http://www.vitisearch.com

On Feb 2, 2008, at 9:21 AM, Paul Bulas wrote:

I notice on Lon's website a page on Ontario, an early-ripening 
labrusca-type grape.? I can't think of anyone ever mentioning growing 
this variety today in its namesake province.? Super-gigantic Winegrape 
Glossary says the following:
?
ONTARIO:
Developed in 1908 at the N.Y. Research Station, it is now used 
sparingly as a white tablegrape because of its strong American 
labruscana flavor. It in turn was derived from the Winchell and Moore's 
Diamond cultivars. Its main claim to fame is being one of the parents, 
the other being Zinfandel, of the Schuyler hybrid cultivar.

?

What kind of numbers (winemaking parameters) can be expected from this 
grape?? Is it basically another Niagara-like vine?

?

Thanks.

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From markhart at hardygrapes.com  Sat Feb  2 14:02:21 2008
From: markhart at hardygrapes.com (Mark Hart)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:02:21 -0600
Subject: [Growwine] Another obscure one:  Ontario
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Message-ID: <F412BAFC-A9B2-4F7A-A53E-1D4870B7CF34@hardygrapes.com>

I know it is nit-picking, but Ontario was named for Ontario county in  
New York state, not the Canadian province.

Mark Hart

On Feb 2, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Paul Bulas wrote:

> I notice on Lon's website a page on Ontario, an early-ripening  
> labrusca-type grape.  I can't think of anyone ever mentioning  
> growing this variety today in its namesake province.  Super-gigantic  
> Winegrape Glossary says the following:
>
> ONTARIO:
> Developed in 1908 at the N.Y. Research Station, it is now used  
> sparingly as a white tablegrape because of its strong American  
> labruscana flavor. It in turn was derived from the Winchell and  
> Moore's Diamond cultivars. Its main claim to fame is being one of  
> the parents, the other being Zinfandel, of the Schuyler hybrid  
> cultivar.
>
> What kind of numbers (winemaking parameters) can be expected from  
> this grape?  Is it basically another Niagara-like vine?
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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From pabls at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  2 14:13:07 2008
From: pabls at yahoo.com (Paul Bulas)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:13:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Growwine] Another obscure one:  Ontario
Message-ID: <896235.92427.qm@web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I wouldn't call that nit-picking, but solving a mystery ... thanks Mark! :)

In fact I always wondered why there was no literature about this grape being grown here.

I like those local place names for these grapes - i.e. Niagara, Ontario, Delaware, Buffalo, etc.  They do well in the terroir around here and so in my book, they aptly carry these place names.

Same thing is being done with the Minnesota varieties nowadays.


----- Original Message ----
From: Mark Hart <markhart at hardygrapes.com>
To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2008 2:02:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] Another obscure one: Ontario

I know it is nit-picking, but Ontario was named for Ontario county in New York state, not the Canadian province.


Mark Hart


On Feb 2, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Paul Bulas wrote:


I notice on Lon's website a page on Ontario, an early-ripening labrusca-type grape.  I can't think of anyone ever mentioning growing this variety today in its namesake province.  Super-gigantic Winegrape Glossary says the following:
 
ONTARIO:
Developed in 1908 at the N.Y. Research Station, it is now used sparingly as a white tablegrape because of its strong American labruscana flavor. It in turn was derived from the Winchell and Moore's Diamond cultivars. Its main claim to fame is being one of the parents, the other being Zinfandel, of the Schuyler hybrid cultivar.
 

What kind of numbers (winemaking parameters) can be expected from this grape?  Is it basically another Niagara-like vine?
 

Thanks.


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From lonrom at hevanet.com  Sat Feb  2 15:58:59 2008
From: lonrom at hevanet.com (Lon J. Rombough)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:58:59 -0800
Subject: [Growwine] Another obscure one:  Ontario
In-Reply-To: <896235.92427.qm@web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <896235.92427.qm@web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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Many of the grapes bred at Cornell were named for New York or Finger 
Lakes locations. Himrod, Interlaken, Steuben, Schuyler, Van Buren, etc. 
are all NY or Finger Lakes place names.  I think Einset was the first 
grape in several decades from Cornell that was named for a person, not 
a place.
-Lon Rombough
Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape Grower, at 
http://www.bunchgrapes.com  Winner of the Garden Writers Association 
"Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003.
For even more grape lessons, go to  http://www.grapeschool.com
For all other things grape,   http://www.vitisearch.com

On Feb 2, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Paul Bulas wrote:

I wouldn't call that nit-picking, but solving a mystery?... thanks 
Mark! :)
?
In fact I always wondered why there was no literature about this grape 
being grown here.
?
I like those local place names for these grapes - i.e. Niagara, 
Ontario, Delaware, Buffalo, etc.? They do well in the terroir around 
here and so in my book, they aptly carry these place names.
?
Same thing is being done with the Minnesota varieties nowadays.

----- Original Message ----
From: Mark Hart

I know it is nit-picking, but Ontario was named for Ontario county in 
New York state, not the Canadian province.

Mark Hart

On Feb 2, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Paul Bulas wrote:

> I notice on Lon's website a page on?Ontario, an early-ripening 
> labrusca-type grape.? I can't think of anyone ever mentioning growing 
> this variety today in its namesake province.? Super-gigantic Winegrape 
> Glossary says the following:
> ?
> ONTARIO:
> Developed in 1908 at the N.Y. Research Station, it is now used 
> sparingly as a white tablegrape because of its strong American 
> labruscana flavor. It in turn was derived from 
> the?Winchell?and?Moore's Diamond?cultivars. Its main claim to fame is 
> being one of the parents, the other being?Zinfandel, of 
> the?Schuyler?hybrid cultivar.
> ?
>
> What kind of numbers (winemaking parameters) can be expected from this 
> grape?? Is it basically another Niagara-like vine?
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From taylorhe at sympatico.ca  Mon Feb  4 12:40:11 2008
From: taylorhe at sympatico.ca (Herb Taylor)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:40:11 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Root Stock Supply
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP11641FCECB0295B72AA476A1330@CEZ.ICE>

Good Day,

I was in touch with a neighbour here in Norfolk county who is transitioning from tobacco to grapes. He has an acre of Chardonnay and Cab Franc in production and has collected a substantial supply of wood. He wants to graft the Chard onto a sitable root stock. This is not an area of expertise of mine but I know this is the place to come.

Can you offer any suggestions of type of root stock suitable for this area and sandy soil and also a supplier who could help this grower move forward.

Thanks for your assistance.
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From canadavintage at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  4 16:03:04 2008
From: canadavintage at hotmail.com (CanadaVintage)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 13:03:04 -0800
Subject: [Growwine] Root Stock Supply
References: <BAYC1-PASMTP11641FCECB0295B72AA476A1330@CEZ.ICE>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV20E2A5FBD474B5A9699076A1330@phx.gbl>

IMO, I would use nothing else but Frontenac as a rootstock on Sandy loam soils
Anthony Carone
http://www.vignoblecarone.com/new/


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Herb Taylor 
  To: Grow Wine 
  Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:40 AM
  Subject: [Growwine] Root Stock Supply


  Good Day,

  I was in touch with a neighbour here in Norfolk county who is transitioning from tobacco to grapes. He has an acre of Chardonnay and Cab Franc in production and has collected a substantial supply of wood. He wants to graft the Chard onto a sitable root stock. This is not an area of expertise of mine but I know this is the place to come.

  Can you offer any suggestions of type of root stock suitable for this area and sandy soil and also a supplier who could help this grower move forward.

  Thanks for your assistance.


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From terry.rayner at sympatico.ca  Mon Feb  4 13:07:15 2008
From: terry.rayner at sympatico.ca (Terry Rayner)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:07:15 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Root Stock Supply
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Message-ID: <BAY133-F36D3A11A711FD3CE8B4D6EE4330@phx.gbl>

Herb, take a look at this site.
http://www.yalumbanursery.com/rootstock/public/index.asp?page=Rootstock%20Profiler

3309 is a popular rootstock for sandy soils and 101-14 and 5BB are other 
considerations.

Gremmich and Mori would be two starting points but I think Phil Ryn was 
looking into doing some grafting as well.

Terry


>From: "Herb Taylor" <taylorhe at sympatico.ca>
>Reply-To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
>To: "Grow Wine" <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>Subject: [Growwine] Root Stock Supply
>Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:40:11 -0500
>
>Good Day,
>
>I was in touch with a neighbour here in Norfolk county who is transitioning 
>from tobacco to grapes. He has an acre of Chardonnay and Cab Franc in 
>production and has collected a substantial supply of wood. He wants to 
>graft the Chard onto a sitable root stock. This is not an area of expertise 
>of mine but I know this is the place to come.
>
>Can you offer any suggestions of type of root stock suitable for this area 
>and sandy soil and also a supplier who could help this grower move forward.
>
>Thanks for your assistance.


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From redwine at charter.net  Mon Feb  4 13:16:04 2008
From: redwine at charter.net (Rob McDowell)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 13:16:04 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Root Stock Supply
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DAV20E2A5FBD474B5A9699076A1330@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <FEEDJLPKILCDJKLHFAJMEEPNCOAA.redwine@charter.net>

That's an interesting comment Anthony, Frontenac is hardy, vigorous, and
readily available, but I'm not aware of it commonly being used as a
rootstock.  I assume it would have attributes similar to the usual run of
Riparia rootstocks?

Rob McDowell
  -----Original Message-----
  From: growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com
[mailto:growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com]On Behalf Of CanadaVintage
  Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:03 PM
  To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
  Subject: Re: [Growwine] Root Stock Supply


  IMO, I would use nothing else but Frontenac as a rootstock on Sandy loam
soils
  Anthony Carone
  http://www.vignoblecarone.com/new/


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Herb Taylor
    To: Grow Wine
    Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:40 AM
    Subject: [Growwine] Root Stock Supply


    Good Day,

    I was in touch with a neighbour here in Norfolk county who is
transitioning from tobacco to grapes. He has an acre of Chardonnay and Cab
Franc in production and has collected a substantial supply of wood. He wants
to graft the Chard onto a sitable root stock. This is not an area of
expertise of mine but I know this is the place to come.

    Can you offer any suggestions of type of root stock suitable for this
area and sandy soil and also a supplier who could help this grower move
forward.

    Thanks for your assistance.


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From coquine at endirect.qc.ca  Mon Feb  4 14:12:30 2008
From: coquine at endirect.qc.ca (Alain Breault)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:12:30 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Root Stock Supply
References: <BAYC1-PASMTP11641FCECB0295B72AA476A1330@CEZ.ICE>
	<BAY113-DAV20E2A5FBD474B5A9699076A1330@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002801c86761$ec626860$9d8d9e42@Alain>

I would use nothing but Frontenac as a rootstock on any soil
Alain
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: CanadaVintage 
  To: growwine at littlefatwino.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [Growwine] Root Stock Supply


  IMO, I would use nothing else but Frontenac as a rootstock on Sandy loam soils
  Anthony Carone
  http://www.vignoblecarone.com/new/


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Herb Taylor 
    To: Grow Wine 
    Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:40 AM
    Subject: [Growwine] Root Stock Supply


    Good Day,

    I was in touch with a neighbour here in Norfolk county who is transitioning from tobacco to grapes. He has an acre of Chardonnay and Cab Franc in production and has collected a substantial supply of wood. He wants to graft the Chard onto a sitable root stock. This is not an area of expertise of mine but I know this is the place to come.

    Can you offer any suggestions of type of root stock suitable for this area and sandy soil and also a supplier who could help this grower move forward.

    Thanks for your assistance.


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From ryan at darksleep.com  Mon Feb  4 18:31:52 2008
From: ryan at darksleep.com (Ryan Daum)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:31:52 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] ML01 yeast approved by health Canada
Message-ID: <1202167912.6141.2.camel@teak>

according to
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/gmf-agm/appro/nf-an107decdoc_e.html

So when can amateurs get their hands on it, I wonder....




From sebastienmailloux at cgocable.ca  Mon Feb  4 18:37:03 2008
From: sebastienmailloux at cgocable.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien_Mailloux?=)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 18:37:03 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] ML01 yeast approved by health Canada
References: <1202167912.6141.2.camel@teak>
Message-ID: <009001c86786$d8f03a80$3c01a8c0@sebastien>

This yeast is approve by Health Canada at least since early 2007.  It's 
still difficult to get however, I agree.

S?bastien Mailloux
Winemaker
Domaine & Vins G?linas
Vignoble St-Nicholas
Vignoble Pr?mont

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:31 PM
Subject: [Growwine] ML01 yeast approved by health Canada


> according to
> http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/gmf-agm/appro/nf-an107decdoc_e.html
>
> So when can amateurs get their hands on it, I wonder....
>
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From paul at vivezza.com  Mon Feb  4 19:02:00 2008
From: paul at vivezza.com (Paul Troop)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:02:00 -0800
Subject: [Growwine] ML01 yeast approved by health Canada
References: <1202167912.6141.2.camel@teak>
Message-ID: <225e01c8678b$341f7110$6600a8c0@acer684c9a655d>

Its available from American Tartaric. Of course you have to buy 500 grams 
minimum and its not cheap. The recommended dose is very small though so a 
little goes a long ways.

I've heard from various people that have used it that the fermentations were 
quick and very clean, smiles all around.

Paul
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To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: [Growwine] ML01 yeast approved by health Canada


> according to
> http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/gmf-agm/appro/nf-an107decdoc_e.html
>
> So when can amateurs get their hands on it, I wonder....
>
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From jabaker at accesswave.ca  Tue Feb  5 06:31:44 2008
From: jabaker at accesswave.ca (J & A Baker)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 07:31:44 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] ML01 yeast approved by health Canada
In-Reply-To: <1202167912.6141.2.camel@teak>
Message-ID: <6fr2vh$9qk6r6@ip06.eastlink.ca>

You can contact Jason Rodriquez at 707 975-2983.  Check out
www.americantartaric.com

The 500 gram package cost % 87.50 with shipping to Nova Scotia of 
$ 50.00.  Don't forget that it does malo as well as primary so there is
added saving there.

Alan Baker

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Subject: [Growwine] ML01 yeast approved by health Canada

according to
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/gmf-agm/appro/nf-an107decdoc_e.html

So when can amateurs get their hands on it, I wonder....



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From littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca  Tue Feb  5 08:25:50 2008
From: littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca (Larry Paterson)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 08:25:50 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] ML01 yeast approved by health Canada
References: <6fr2vh$9qk6r6@ip06.eastlink.ca>
Message-ID: <00a601c867fa$a19ee850$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>

This, along with exotic products such as the encapsulated yeast,  is the 
reason that small wineries and amateur winemaking clubs should work 
together.  There is no way that the regular suppliers to amateurs can handle 
expensive, time-sensitive (decaying) cutting-edge supplies and sell them in 
small amounts.   can't see a supply store ordering $300 / kg yeast in order 
to sell it in 5 gram packets, at least not until there is very strong 
demand.

There are many products that a friendly small winery will only want a part 
of, and getting together with an amateur club is a great way to split small 
tests of different things among many people.   And you end up with the 
inevitable social event where everyone gets together and compares their 
liquid results...

Sure has worked in Ontario!

Lardy

Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)

http://www.littlefatwino.com/


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] ML01 yeast approved by health Canada


You can contact Jason Rodriquez at 707 975-2983.  Check out
www.americantartaric.com

The 500 gram package cost % 87.50 with shipping to Nova Scotia of
$ 50.00.  Don't forget that it does malo as well as primary so there is
added saving there.

Alan Baker

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[mailto:growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Daum
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:32 PM
To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
Subject: [Growwine] ML01 yeast approved by health Canada

according to
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/gmf-agm/appro/nf-an107decdoc_e.html

So when can amateurs get their hands on it, I wonder....



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From littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca  Tue Feb  5 08:51:07 2008
From: littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca (Larry Paterson)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 08:51:07 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] 2008 MGGA Cold Climate Grape & Wine Conference
Message-ID: <00dc01c867ff$cdf3af80$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>

See below my signature for an update of the MGGA Conference as passed on to me by Nicole Walsh


Lardy

Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)

http://www.littlefatwino.com/

******************************************************************************************************
Hello MGGA members and friends,

If you have yet to register for the 2008 MGGA Cold Climate Grape & Wine Conference,

we invite you to share a wonderful weekend of education and networking with us. This

year we are offering a large variety of sessions for both beginning and advanced grape

growers and winemakers. Join us for the new Midwest Wine Tour on Friday evening,

where Midwestern wineries will pour their best selections of wine for tasting. This

event is open to paid conference attendees.

The conference will be held at the Holiday Inn Select in Bloomington, MN from Feb 14-

16, 2008. We have the entire hotel conference facility reserved this year! Please visit

mngrapes.org for more information or go directly to:

https://app1.associationsonline.com/amos/mngrapes/registration/public_event_reg

ister.cfm?pk_event=4

Here you can view the Conference Brochure, browse session descriptions and speaker

abstracts, and REGISTER! It is recommended that you register today to secure your

reservation.

If you have questions regarding the conference, registration, your username and

password if you are a current member, hotel reservations, your membership status, or

any other concern, please don't hesitate to contact me.

We hope to see all of you in February!

Nicole Walsh

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Phone/Fax 651-264-0466

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From littlefatwino at trytel.net  Thu Feb  7 18:09:13 2008
From: littlefatwino at trytel.net (Larry Paterson)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 18:09:13 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Free CCOVI Lecture Series - Please Post and Plan to
	Attend!
Message-ID: <000301c869de$7b15edb0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>

see below

Lardy

Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)

http://www.littlefatwino.com/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fcrc at brocku.ca>
To: <littlefatwino at trytel.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:05 PM
Subject: CCOVI Lecture Series - Please Post and Plan to Attend!


CCOVI LECTURE SERIES

Dr. Pat Bowen, Plant Physiologist, Viticulture, Pacific Agri-Food Research 
Centre, Summerland, British Columbia
will be our first speaker in a series of talks celebrating CCOVI's Fellows 
and Professional Affiliates.

Please join us - Everyone is welcome - Admission is FREE

LECTURE TOPIC:  Applications of GIS Techniques to Study Terroir

DATE:  Wednesday, February 20, 2008
TIME:   11:00 a.m.
PLACE:  H313, Brock University

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Dr. Karl Kaiser, Co-founder, Inniskillin Wines Inc.

LECTURE TOPIC:  Pinot ~ the Savage yet Seductive Grape

DATE:  Monday, February 25, 2008
TIME:   11:00 a.m.
PLACE:  H313, Brock University

For a complete list of the lecture series please go to:
http://www.brocku.ca/ccovi/files/misc/CCOVI_Fellows_Prof.Affiliates.Lecture_Series.2008.pdf



From pabls at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  8 14:02:23 2008
From: pabls at yahoo.com (Paul Bulas)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:02:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Growwine] Valiant question
Message-ID: <222306.6495.qm@web56813.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Just a shout out to all growers of Valiant who have made wine from the variety:  What kind of sugar/acid balance do you get from the fruit?  Is it easy to get Brix over 20?  What are pH and TA usually like?

Many thanks.


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From gmcintos at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 11 11:28:22 2008
From: gmcintos at hotmail.com (garfield mcintosh)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:28:22 +0000
Subject: [Growwine] vidal
Message-ID: <BAY101-W15B1B2F6D01E20750156DCC92A0@phx.gbl>


Hi
Is there any reason that Vidal has to graphed to a rootstock. If it is necessary, can the grapht point be below the soil line. 
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From pavlis at aesop.rutgers.edu  Mon Feb 11 11:43:23 2008
From: pavlis at aesop.rutgers.edu (gary charles pavlis)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:43:23 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] vidal
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-W15B1B2F6D01E20750156DCC92A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY101-W15B1B2F6D01E20750156DCC92A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <47B07B2B.2090505@aesop.rutgers.edu>

garfield mcintosh wrote:

> Hi
> Is there any reason that Vidal has to graphed to a rootstock. If it is 
> necessary, can the grapht point be below the soil line.
> Garfield
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Dear Garfield,
	Vidal is not usually grafted but by doing so, growers have found that 
the plants in the field are more uniform and a little less vigorous. 
There are many advantages to less vigor.
	Having the graft line below the soil line defeats the purpose of 
grafting. The scion, (Vidal), will root and negate the effects of the 
rootstock. Hope this helps.
Sincerely,
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From stephru at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 11 16:38:42 2008
From: stephru at hotmail.com (S.Ruel)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:38:42 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Chocolate extract
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV207B202E2CB10C49132869B22A0@phx.gbl>

Hello all,

I read on this list about use chocolate extract to enhance wine and fix herbal tastes/aromas.
What is the typical concentration when using chocolate extract in red wine?

Thank you for your help.

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From littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca  Mon Feb 11 17:37:16 2008
From: littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca (Larry Paterson)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:37:16 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Chocolate extract
References: <BAY109-DAV207B202E2CB10C49132869B22A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001d01c86cfe$a8cc8d90$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>

Stephane

I've been making fruit wines with varying types of chocolate for more than ten years, and over that time have been drawn to the liquid (non sweetened) chocolate extracts that are available in small quantities from premium baking supply stores.

Since using these, I have experimented with adding varying amounts of chocolate extract to wine at various stages of fermentation.  I find that if it is added at the beginning of fermentation the flavours seem to be better integrated in the finished wine.

I have been using this in the range of 1 to 2 drops per 750 ml bottle.  This is usually not enough to leave a chocolate flavour in the wine (though some people would really like this!) but it is enough to soften the effects of a high-acid red, or a wine that is weedy/vegetative flavoured.

The mouthfeel seems to be enhanced a little as well, and the wines are ready to drink much sooner than they would otherwise be.

It can be added after the fermentation, but it seems to be very easy to overdo it at this point.  The best thing that you can do is to add a very tiny amount to a portion of your wine (say add 1 drop to a litre) then taste it two hours later, adding more if needed.  Let this sit a day or two, retaste, then follow a similar procedure with the bulk of your wine.

Good luck,

Lardy

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(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: S.Ruel 
To: Growing Wine in Cold Climates 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:38 PM
Subject: [Growwine] Chocolate extract


Hello all,

I read on this list about use chocolate extract to enhance wine and fix herbal tastes/aromas.
What is the typical concentration when using chocolate extract in red wine?

Thank you for your help.

Stephane Ruel
Quebec City


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From gmcintos at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 11 17:42:42 2008
From: gmcintos at hotmail.com (garfield mcintosh)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:42:42 +0000
Subject: [Growwine] vidal
In-Reply-To: <47B07B2B.2090505@aesop.rutgers.edu>
References: <BAY101-W15B1B2F6D01E20750156DCC92A0@phx.gbl>
	<47B07B2B.2090505@aesop.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <BAY101-W21840A7A20B0F2CDE610D5C92A0@phx.gbl>


Hi Gary
I am happy to hear that this is the reason for the rootgraphting. I want to plant a few acres with this variety, on Manitoulin. I have had three vines growing and producing grapes for about 4 years. This island, in Lake Huron, is protectd from the worst of winter's cold and the temp does not often drop below -25C. If it does, which is a possiblity every 4-8 years, I will need the established root system to regrown the vine. forunately, I do not have high vigour soils.
Garfield McIntosh> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:43:23 -0500> From: pavlis at aesop.rutgers.edu> To: growwine at littlefatwino.com> Subject: Re: [Growwine] vidal> > garfield mcintosh wrote:> > > Hi> > Is there any reason that Vidal has to graphed to a rootstock. If it is > > necessary, can the grapht point be below the soil line.> > Garfield> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> > Everything in one place. All new Windows Live! > > <http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live>> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > _______________________________________________> > Growwine mailing list> > Growwine at littlefatwino.com> > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine> Dear Garfield,> Vidal is not usually grafted but by doing so, growers have found that > the plants in the field are more uniform and a little less vigorous. > There are many advantages to less vigor.> Having the graft line below the soil line defeats the purpose of > grafting. The scion, (Vidal), will root and negate the effects of the > rootstock. Hope this helps.> Sincerely,> Gary c. Pavlis, Ph.D.> Rutgers University
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From rono at mindlinktech.com  Mon Feb 11 21:01:02 2008
From: rono at mindlinktech.com (Ron Olinyk)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:01:02 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
In-Reply-To: <00d001c853fa$09e6f700$7000a8c0@acer684c9a655d>
References: <4786B60E.4060102@ns.sympatico.ca>
	<00d001c853fa$09e6f700$7000a8c0@acer684c9a655d>
Message-ID: <47B0FDDE.8060300@mindlinktech.com>

In a past thread, Paul Troop sneaked in a reference to Blattner vines. 
In doing some searching on the web for more details, I find very little. 
Seems to be a disease resistant variety(s) of some sort. I'm looking 
into some new varieties to plant this year as the 'itch' of rooting some 
new cuttings gets stronger. Can anyone (Paul?) enlighten me on Blattner 
vines and (hopefully) where I might get some cuttings?
Thanks
Ron

Paul Troop wrote:
> Hi Karen,
>
> I had Castel in a vineyard on Salt Spring Island. It was planted in 1996 and 
> we made wine from it in 1998 and 1999. It was the foulest tasting grape I 
> have ever been around, and the wine was just as bad. Before planting that 
> variety make sure you taste some -- perhaps it was just my taste. I know 
> Cherry Point on Vancouver Island has been growing that variety and I"ve had 
> a wine or two of it from them that was not as bad as the ones I made. Hmmm.
>
> We yanked it out in 2000 and planted St. Laurent instead. That was a decent 
> grape here, but overall the Foch and Leon Millot were better. Then I 
> discovered the Blattner vines . . .
>
> Paul
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Karen Enright" <karen.enright at ns.sympatico.ca>
> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:19 PM
> Subject: [Growwine] DeChaunac & Castel
>
>
>   
>> Does anyone tasted wine made from DeChaunac or Castel (not blended)?
>>
>> Any information would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks very much.
>>
>>
>> Karen Enright
>> Arcadie House Vineyards
>> _______________________________________________
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From paul at vivezza.com  Mon Feb 11 21:05:05 2008
From: paul at vivezza.com (Paul Troop)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:05:05 -0800
Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
References: <4786B60E.4060102@ns.sympatico.ca><00d001c853fa$09e6f700$7000a8c0@acer684c9a655d>
	<47B0FDDE.8060300@mindlinktech.com>
Message-ID: <095701c86d1b$b2b7e580$6600a8c0@acer684c9a655d>

Send me an email offlist with whatever questions you have. I'd be happy to 
let you know what I'm up to here with the Blattner varieties I have.

Paul
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Olinyk" <rono at mindlinktech.com>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:01 PM
Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines


> In a past thread, Paul Troop sneaked in a reference to Blattner vines.
> In doing some searching on the web for more details, I find very little.
> Seems to be a disease resistant variety(s) of some sort. I'm looking
> into some new varieties to plant this year as the 'itch' of rooting some
> new cuttings gets stronger. Can anyone (Paul?) enlighten me on Blattner
> vines and (hopefully) where I might get some cuttings?
> Thanks
> Ron
>
> Paul Troop wrote:
>> Hi Karen,
>>
>> I had Castel in a vineyard on Salt Spring Island. It was planted in 1996 
>> and
>> we made wine from it in 1998 and 1999. It was the foulest tasting grape I
>> have ever been around, and the wine was just as bad. Before planting that
>> variety make sure you taste some -- perhaps it was just my taste. I know
>> Cherry Point on Vancouver Island has been growing that variety and I"ve 
>> had
>> a wine or two of it from them that was not as bad as the ones I made. 
>> Hmmm.
>>
>> We yanked it out in 2000 and planted St. Laurent instead. That was a 
>> decent
>> grape here, but overall the Foch and Leon Millot were better. Then I
>> discovered the Blattner vines . . .
>>
>> Paul
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Karen Enright" <karen.enright at ns.sympatico.ca>
>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:19 PM
>> Subject: [Growwine] DeChaunac & Castel
>>
>>
>>
>>> Does anyone tasted wine made from DeChaunac or Castel (not blended)?
>>>
>>> Any information would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks very much.
>>>
>>>
>>> Karen Enright
>>> Arcadie House Vineyards
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Growwine mailing list
>>> Growwine at littlefatwino.com
>>> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine
>>>
>>
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From terry.rayner at sympatico.ca  Mon Feb 11 21:11:22 2008
From: terry.rayner at sympatico.ca (Terry Rayner)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:11:22 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
References: <4786B60E.4060102@ns.sympatico.ca><00d001c853fa$09e6f700$7000a8c0@acer684c9a655d>
	<47B0FDDE.8060300@mindlinktech.com>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP02ACDA90EAF4F310E00E99E42B0@CEZ.ICE>

Ron, Hans Pfeiffer at Euro Nurseries (Leamington area) has some of the 
Blattner varieties as well.

Terry
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Olinyk" <rono at mindlinktech.com>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:01 PM
Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines


> In a past thread, Paul Troop sneaked in a reference to Blattner vines.
> In doing some searching on the web for more details, I find very little.
> Seems to be a disease resistant variety(s) of some sort. I'm looking
> into some new varieties to plant this year as the 'itch' of rooting some
> new cuttings gets stronger. Can anyone (Paul?) enlighten me on Blattner
> vines and (hopefully) where I might get some cuttings?
> Thanks
> Ron
>
> Paul Troop wrote:
>> Hi Karen,
>>
>> I had Castel in a vineyard on Salt Spring Island. It was planted in 1996 
>> and
>> we made wine from it in 1998 and 1999. It was the foulest tasting grape I
>> have ever been around, and the wine was just as bad. Before planting that
>> variety make sure you taste some -- perhaps it was just my taste. I know
>> Cherry Point on Vancouver Island has been growing that variety and I"ve 
>> had
>> a wine or two of it from them that was not as bad as the ones I made. 
>> Hmmm.
>>
>> We yanked it out in 2000 and planted St. Laurent instead. That was a 
>> decent
>> grape here, but overall the Foch and Leon Millot were better. Then I
>> discovered the Blattner vines . . .
>>
>> Paul
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Karen Enright" <karen.enright at ns.sympatico.ca>
>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:19 PM
>> Subject: [Growwine] DeChaunac & Castel
>>
>>
>>
>>> Does anyone tasted wine made from DeChaunac or Castel (not blended)?
>>>
>>> Any information would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks very much.
>>>
>>>
>>> Karen Enright
>>> Arcadie House Vineyards
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Growwine mailing list
>>> Growwine at littlefatwino.com
>>> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine
>>>
>>
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>> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine
>>
>>
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From paul at vivezza.com  Mon Feb 11 21:24:58 2008
From: paul at vivezza.com (Paul Troop)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:24:58 -0800
Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
References: <4786B60E.4060102@ns.sympatico.ca><00d001c853fa$09e6f700$7000a8c0@acer684c9a655d><47B0FDDE.8060300@mindlinktech.com>
	<BAYC1-PASMTP02ACDA90EAF4F310E00E99E42B0@CEZ.ICE>
Message-ID: <095c01c86d1e$77bbec30$6600a8c0@acer684c9a655d>

Actually, Hans Peter ran (runs) the block where the original Blattner seeds 
from Europe were planted. John Fanscy at Viewpointe has been doing long 
running experiments with some of the varieties.

In 2002 Valentin, Hans Peter and I selected the combination of the earliest, 
most disease resistant, commercially viable, good tasting varieties from 
that original block for planting on the West Coast. I have 60 varieties 
here, Hans Peter had about 1200. I have no idea how many of those 1200 are 
still around, many were suffering the effects of phyloxerra in 2002 and I 
had the feeling most would be dead by now. Only the resistant (if there were 
any), the lucky, the ones I have, and the ones selected for grafting in 
Ontario would have made it. I am culling about 30 of them this year, the 
project is just too big to handle with 60 varieties.

Paul
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry Rayner" <terry.rayner at sympatico.ca>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines


> Ron, Hans Pfeiffer at Euro Nurseries (Leamington area) has some of the
> Blattner varieties as well.
>
> Terry
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Olinyk" <rono at mindlinktech.com>
> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:01 PM
> Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
>
>
>> In a past thread, Paul Troop sneaked in a reference to Blattner vines.
>> In doing some searching on the web for more details, I find very little.
>> Seems to be a disease resistant variety(s) of some sort. I'm looking
>> into some new varieties to plant this year as the 'itch' of rooting some
>> new cuttings gets stronger. Can anyone (Paul?) enlighten me on Blattner
>> vines and (hopefully) where I might get some cuttings?
>> Thanks
>> Ron
>>
>> Paul Troop wrote:
>>> Hi Karen,
>>>
>>> I had Castel in a vineyard on Salt Spring Island. It was planted in 1996
>>> and
>>> we made wine from it in 1998 and 1999. It was the foulest tasting grape 
>>> I
>>> have ever been around, and the wine was just as bad. Before planting 
>>> that
>>> variety make sure you taste some -- perhaps it was just my taste. I know
>>> Cherry Point on Vancouver Island has been growing that variety and I"ve
>>> had
>>> a wine or two of it from them that was not as bad as the ones I made.
>>> Hmmm.
>>>
>>> We yanked it out in 2000 and planted St. Laurent instead. That was a
>>> decent
>>> grape here, but overall the Foch and Leon Millot were better. Then I
>>> discovered the Blattner vines . . .
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Karen Enright" <karen.enright at ns.sympatico.ca>
>>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:19 PM
>>> Subject: [Growwine] DeChaunac & Castel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Does anyone tasted wine made from DeChaunac or Castel (not blended)?
>>>>
>>>> Any information would be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks very much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Karen Enright
>>>> Arcadie House Vineyards
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Growwine mailing list
>>>> Growwine at littlefatwino.com
>>>> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Growwine at littlefatwino.com
>>> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine
>>>
>>>
>>
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From gmcintos at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 11 21:58:09 2008
From: gmcintos at hotmail.com (garfield mcintosh)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:58:09 +0000
Subject: [Growwine] inrow aug
Message-ID: <BAY101-W321DF30A08B3F48BC0CB01C92B0@phx.gbl>


Greetings
I am looking for an auger used to plant vines that fits under the lower wire of the trellis system. I believe that Laura Sabourin mentioned something about this tractor attachment, in previous emails. Does anyone have any info about this type of auger?
Thanks
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From stephru at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 11 22:26:33 2008
From: stephru at hotmail.com (S.Ruel)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:26:33 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Bottles supplier
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV72576C85517B199F7FDFDB22B0@phx.gbl>

Another question to the group...

We plan the bottling of our 2007 first icewine, in the next weeks this spring.
I'm looking for 200ml clear glass bottles for this purpose.

We live in the Quebec City area and I wish to find a supplier who can sell a small quantity of 200ml bottles (we don't need industrial supply).
Any name or advice?

Thank you again.

Stephane Ruel
Quebec City
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From dbriden at magma.ca  Mon Feb 11 22:29:08 2008
From: dbriden at magma.ca (Doug Briden)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:29:08 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Bottles supplier
Message-ID: <.1202786948@magma.ca>

 

	Stephane, try Dominion Glass Montreal. 

	Doug.
 On Mon 11/02/08 22:26 , "S.Ruel" stephru at hotmail.com sent:
     Another question to the group...   We plan the bottling of our
2007 first icewine, in the next weeks this spring. I'm looking for
200ml clear glass bottles for this purpose.   We live in the Quebec
City area and I wish to find a supplier who can sell a small quantity
of 200ml bottles (we don't need industrial supply). Any name or
advice?   Thank you again.   Stephane Ruel Quebec City
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From sebastienmailloux at cgocable.ca  Mon Feb 11 22:31:23 2008
From: sebastienmailloux at cgocable.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien_Mailloux?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:31:23 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Bottles supplier
References: <BAY109-DAV72576C85517B199F7FDFDB22B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00a801c86d27$bded3250$3c01a8c0@sebastien>

ABC Cork, in Ontario sell them.  You can easely open an account with them if you have a commercial winery.  They sell the Bellisima model and one other I think.  For a very small quantity you could buy them from a home winemaking store as they all buy from ABC Cork.

S?bastien Mailloux
Winemaker
Domaine & Vins G?linas
Vignoble St-Nicholas
Vignoble Pr?mont

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: S.Ruel 
  To: Growing Wine in Cold Climates 
  Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:26 PM
  Subject: [Growwine] Bottles supplier


  Another question to the group...

  We plan the bottling of our 2007 first icewine, in the next weeks this spring.
  I'm looking for 200ml clear glass bottles for this purpose.

  We live in the Quebec City area and I wish to find a supplier who can sell a small quantity of 200ml bottles (we don't need industrial supply).
  Any name or advice?

  Thank you again.

  Stephane Ruel
  Quebec City


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From dbriden at magma.ca  Mon Feb 11 23:09:16 2008
From: dbriden at magma.ca (Doug Briden)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:09:16 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Bottles supplier
Message-ID: <.1202789356@magma.ca>

 

	Sorry all scratch my last reference it appears not to be the proper
listing 

	my appologies. 

	Doug.
 On Mon 11/02/08 22:29 , Doug Briden dbriden at magma.ca sent:
	Stephane, try Dominion Glass Montreal. 

	Doug.
 On Mon 11/02/08 22:26 , "S.Ruel" stephru at hotmail.com sent:
     Another question to the group...   We plan the bottling of our
2007 first icewine, in the next weeks this spring. I'm looking for
200ml clear glass bottles for this purpose.   We live in the Quebec
City area and I wish to find a supplier who can sell a small quantity
of 200ml bottles (we don't need industrial supply). Any name or
advice?   Thank you again.   Stephane Ruel Quebec City
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From midmp at abacom.com  Tue Feb 12 10:02:27 2008
From: midmp at abacom.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Martin_Par=E9?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:02:27 -0800
Subject: [Growwine] Bottles supplier
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV72576C85517B199F7FDFDB22B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV72576C85517B199F7FDFDB22B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <47B14483.23466.D0DE5@midmp.abacom.com>

For smaller amounts, a maple syrup supplies retailer like dominion and 
grimm may have that.  search the web site (sorry not handy) on google. they 
have theire catalogue on-line.

On 11 Feb 2008 at 22:26, S.Ruel wrote:

> 
> Another question to the group...
> 
> We plan the bottling of our 2007 first icewine, in the next weeks this spring.
> I'm looking for 200ml clear glass bottles for this purpose.
> 
> We live in the Quebec City area and I wish to find a supplier who can sell a small quantity of 
> 200ml bottles (we don't need industrial supply).
> Any name or advice?
> 
> Thank you again.
> 
> Stephane Ruel
> Quebec City



From canadavintage at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 12 11:24:40 2008
From: canadavintage at hotmail.com (CanadaVintage)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:24:40 -0800
Subject: [Growwine] Bottles supplier
References: <BAY109-DAV72576C85517B199F7FDFDB22B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV13DA6D8E308729F529A564A12B0@phx.gbl>

Hi stephane,
Go to the AVQ website (www.vignerons-du-quebec.com)

and look at the section with the suppliers. there are several that can help you.

Anthony Carone

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: S.Ruel 
  To: Growing Wine in Cold Climates 
  Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:26 PM
  Subject: [Growwine] Bottles supplier


  Another question to the group...

  We plan the bottling of our 2007 first icewine, in the next weeks this spring.
  I'm looking for 200ml clear glass bottles for this purpose.

  We live in the Quebec City area and I wish to find a supplier who can sell a small quantity of 200ml bottles (we don't need industrial supply).
  Any name or advice?

  Thank you again.

  Stephane Ruel
  Quebec City


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From matthias.boss at sympatico.ca  Tue Feb 12 08:39:23 2008
From: matthias.boss at sympatico.ca (Matthias Boss)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:39:23 +0000
Subject: [Growwine] Vidal Icewine Juice
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From helbert at idirect.com  Tue Feb 12 09:10:21 2008
From: helbert at idirect.com (Burt Dunn)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:10:21 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] vidal
References: <BAY101-W15B1B2F6D01E20750156DCC92A0@phx.gbl>
	<47B07B2B.2090505@aesop.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <00bb01c86d82$bc7242c0$e79760cf@syspreinstall>

Hello Garfield
Perhaps another reason to plant graft above soil line: if Vidal is killed in 
an exceptional winter, then the root stock may send up suckers. You may not 
know that you are now growing rootstock for 3-4 years.
Also make sure the rootstock will survive in your area in those occasional 
very cold/little snow winters-  The grafting material used by Ontario 
propagators is often hardy enough for Niagara--but your area?? 
Cheers      Bert

Bert Dunn  Box 352   Schomberg   L0G 1T0    zone 4b/5a
www.littlefatwino.com/bertslist.html
Think Blending  Not Varietals

> Dear Garfield,
> Vidal is not usually grafted but by doing so, growers have found that
> the plants in the field are more uniform and a little less vigorous.
> There are many advantages to less vigor.
> Having the graft line below the soil line defeats the purpose of
> grafting. The scion, (Vidal), will root and negate the effects of the
> rootstock. Hope this helps.
> Sincerely,
> Gary c. Pavlis, Ph.D.
> Rutgers University
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From vitiferas at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 12 10:07:11 2008
From: vitiferas at hotmail.com (Jean Houle)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:07:11 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Bottles supplier
In-Reply-To: <47B14483.23466.D0DE5@midmp.abacom.com>
References: <BAY109-DAV72576C85517B199F7FDFDB22B0@phx.gbl>
	<47B14483.23466.D0DE5@midmp.abacom.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-W328D94BC61E9CF671900D2AE2B0@phx.gbl>


I was looking for some myself in small quantities both 200 Ml. and 500 Ml. found them good quality good price at dominion and grimm Montreal  1-866-351-2811 
http://www.dominiongrimm.ca/
Jean Houle Charlemagne Quebec Zone de rusticit? 4b-5a du Canada Canada plant hardiness zone 4b-5a Sud-ouest du Qu?bec / Southwest Qu?bec "Petit ou grand, un bon vin a la gueule de l'endroit o? il est n?, et les tripes du bonhomme qui l'a fait." Jacques Puisais "The best chance of success is crossing adaptive hybrids on other adaptive hybrids." Elmer Swenson  > From: midmp at abacom.com> To: growwine at littlefatwino.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:02:27 -0800> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Bottles supplier> > For smaller amounts, a maple syrup supplies retailer like dominion and > grimm...  
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From aveo2000 at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 12 12:09:52 2008
From: aveo2000 at hotmail.com (ASSOCIATION DES VITICULTEURS DE L'EST ONTARIEN)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:09:52 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Bottles supplier
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-W328D94BC61E9CF671900D2AE2B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV72576C85517B199F7FDFDB22B0@phx.gbl>
	<47B14483.23466.D0DE5@midmp.abacom.com> 
	<BAY114-W328D94BC61E9CF671900D2AE2B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY111-W27A230A4AC90AEBA4AD2ACD02B0@phx.gbl>


Try Fernando at Elnova in Rougemont, Qc
1-800-361-9579
 
 


From: vitiferas at hotmail.comTo: growwine at littlefatwino.comDate: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:07:11 -0500Subject: Re: [Growwine] Bottles supplier


I was looking for some myself in small quantities both 200 Ml. and 500 Ml. found them good quality good price at dominion and grimm Montreal  1-866-351-2811 http://www.dominiongrimm.ca/Jean Houle Charlemagne Quebec Zone de rusticit? 4b-5a du Canada Canada plant hardiness zone 4b-5a Sud-ouest du Qu?bec / Southwest Qu?bec "Petit ou grand, un bon vin a la gueule de l'endroit o? il est n?, et les tripes du bonhomme qui l'a fait." Jacques Puisais "The best chance of success is crossing adaptive hybrids on other adaptive hybrids." Elmer Swenson  > From: midmp at abacom.com> To: growwine at littlefatwino.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:02:27 -0800> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Bottles supplier> > For smaller amounts, a maple syrup supplies retailer like dominion and > grimm...  


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From canadavintage at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 12 20:39:35 2008
From: canadavintage at hotmail.com (CanadaVintage)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:39:35 -0800
Subject: [Growwine] Bottles supplier
References: <BAY109-DAV72576C85517B199F7FDFDB22B0@phx.gbl><47B14483.23466.D0DE5@midmp.abacom.com>
	<BAY114-W328D94BC61E9CF671900D2AE2B0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV10BD3D203F897DA626E74CA12B0@phx.gbl>

Why anyone still buys (throws money away) from Elnova is beyond me.
Anthony

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  To: growwine at littlefatwino.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [Growwine] Bottles supplier


  Try Fernando at Elnova in Rougemont, Qc
  1-800-361-9579
   


   


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    From: vitiferas at hotmail.com
    To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
    Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:07:11 -0500
    Subject: Re: [Growwine] Bottles supplier

    I was looking for some myself in small quantities both 200 Ml. and 500 Ml. found them good quality good price at dominion and grimm Montreal  1-866-351-2811 
    http://www.dominiongrimm.ca/



    Jean Houle 
    Charlemagne Quebec 
    Zone de rusticit? 4b-5a du Canada 
    Canada plant hardiness zone 4b-5a 
    Sud-ouest du Qu?bec / Southwest Qu?bec 

    "Petit ou grand, un bon vin a la gueule de l'endroit o? il est n?, et les tripes du bonhomme qui l'a fait." 
    Jacques Puisais 

    "The best chance of success is crossing adaptive hybrids on other adaptive hybrids." 
    Elmer Swenson 
     

    > From: midmp at abacom.com
    > To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
    > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:02:27 -0800
    > Subject: Re: [Growwine] Bottles supplier
    > 
    > For smaller amounts, a maple syrup supplies retailer like dominion and 
    > grimm...  


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From laura-sabourin at sympatico.ca  Tue Feb 12 18:19:47 2008
From: laura-sabourin at sympatico.ca (Laura)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:19:47 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
References: <4786B60E.4060102@ns.sympatico.ca><00d001c853fa$09e6f700$7000a8c0@acer684c9a655d><47B0FDDE.8060300@mindlinktech.com><BAYC1-PASMTP02ACDA90EAF4F310E00E99E42B0@CEZ.ICE>
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are Either of the Ontario growers on this list ?

Laura

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Troop" <paul at vivezza.com>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines


> Actually, Hans Peter ran (runs) the block where the original Blattner 
> seeds
> from Europe were planted. John Fanscy at Viewpointe has been doing long
> running experiments with some of the varieties.
>
> In 2002 Valentin, Hans Peter and I selected the combination of the 
> earliest,
> most disease resistant, commercially viable, good tasting varieties from
> that original block for planting on the West Coast. I have 60 varieties
> here, Hans Peter had about 1200. I have no idea how many of those 1200 are
> still around, many were suffering the effects of phyloxerra in 2002 and I
> had the feeling most would be dead by now. Only the resistant (if there 
> were
> any), the lucky, the ones I have, and the ones selected for grafting in
> Ontario would have made it. I am culling about 30 of them this year, the
> project is just too big to handle with 60 varieties.
>
> Paul
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Terry Rayner" <terry.rayner at sympatico.ca>
> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines
>
>
>> Ron, Hans Pfeiffer at Euro Nurseries (Leamington area) has some of the
>> Blattner varieties as well.
>>
>> Terry
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ron Olinyk" <rono at mindlinktech.com>
>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:01 PM
>> Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
>>
>>
>>> In a past thread, Paul Troop sneaked in a reference to Blattner vines.
>>> In doing some searching on the web for more details, I find very little.
>>> Seems to be a disease resistant variety(s) of some sort. I'm looking
>>> into some new varieties to plant this year as the 'itch' of rooting some
>>> new cuttings gets stronger. Can anyone (Paul?) enlighten me on Blattner
>>> vines and (hopefully) where I might get some cuttings?
>>> Thanks
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> Paul Troop wrote:
>>>> Hi Karen,
>>>>
>>>> I had Castel in a vineyard on Salt Spring Island. It was planted in 
>>>> 1996
>>>> and
>>>> we made wine from it in 1998 and 1999. It was the foulest tasting grape
>>>> I
>>>> have ever been around, and the wine was just as bad. Before planting
>>>> that
>>>> variety make sure you taste some -- perhaps it was just my taste. I 
>>>> know
>>>> Cherry Point on Vancouver Island has been growing that variety and I"ve
>>>> had
>>>> a wine or two of it from them that was not as bad as the ones I made.
>>>> Hmmm.
>>>>
>>>> We yanked it out in 2000 and planted St. Laurent instead. That was a
>>>> decent
>>>> grape here, but overall the Foch and Leon Millot were better. Then I
>>>> discovered the Blattner vines . . .
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Karen Enright" <karen.enright at ns.sympatico.ca>
>>>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:19 PM
>>>> Subject: [Growwine] DeChaunac & Castel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone tasted wine made from DeChaunac or Castel (not blended)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any information would be appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks very much.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Karen Enright
>>>>> Arcadie House Vineyards
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From pabls at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 12 18:25:04 2008
From: pabls at yahoo.com (Paul Bulas)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:25:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
Message-ID: <912726.13133.qm@web56801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

It would be great to finally start seeing estate wines made from these Blattner types put into distribution.  They produce excellent wines and should be more noisily promoted in my view.



----- Original Message ----
From: Laura <laura-sabourin at sympatico.ca>
To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:19:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines

are Either of the Ontario growers on this list ?

Laura

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Troop" <paul at vivezza.com>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines


> Actually, Hans Peter ran (runs) the block where the original Blattner 
> seeds
> from Europe were planted. John Fanscy at Viewpointe has been doing long
> running experiments with some of the varieties.
>
> In 2002 Valentin, Hans Peter and I selected the combination of the 
> earliest,
> most disease resistant, commercially viable, good tasting varieties from
> that original block for planting on the West Coast. I have 60 varieties
> here, Hans Peter had about 1200. I have no idea how many of those 1200 are
> still around, many were suffering the effects of phyloxerra in 2002 and I
> had the feeling most would be dead by now. Only the resistant (if there 
> were
> any), the lucky, the ones I have, and the ones selected for grafting in
> Ontario would have made it. I am culling about 30 of them this year, the
> project is just too big to handle with 60 varieties.
>
> Paul
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Terry Rayner" <terry.rayner at sympatico.ca>
> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines
>
>
>> Ron, Hans Pfeiffer at Euro Nurseries (Leamington area) has some of the
>> Blattner varieties as well.
>>
>> Terry
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ron Olinyk" <rono at mindlinktech.com>
>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:01 PM
>> Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
>>
>>
>>> In a past thread, Paul Troop sneaked in a reference to Blattner vines.
>>> In doing some searching on the web for more details, I find very little.
>>> Seems to be a disease resistant variety(s) of some sort. I'm looking
>>> into some new varieties to plant this year as the 'itch' of rooting some
>>> new cuttings gets stronger. Can anyone (Paul?) enlighten me on Blattner
>>> vines and (hopefully) where I might get some cuttings?
>>> Thanks
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> Paul Troop wrote:
>>>> Hi Karen,
>>>>
>>>> I had Castel in a vineyard on Salt Spring Island. It was planted in 
>>>> 1996
>>>> and
>>>> we made wine from it in 1998 and 1999. It was the foulest tasting grape
>>>> I
>>>> have ever been around, and the wine was just as bad. Before planting
>>>> that
>>>> variety make sure you taste some -- perhaps it was just my taste. I 
>>>> know
>>>> Cherry Point on Vancouver Island has been growing that variety and I"ve
>>>> had
>>>> a wine or two of it from them that was not as bad as the ones I made.
>>>> Hmmm.
>>>>
>>>> We yanked it out in 2000 and planted St. Laurent instead. That was a
>>>> decent
>>>> grape here, but overall the Foch and Leon Millot were better. Then I
>>>> discovered the Blattner vines . . .
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Karen Enright" <karen.enright at ns.sympatico.ca>
>>>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:19 PM
>>>> Subject: [Growwine] DeChaunac & Castel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone tasted wine made from DeChaunac or Castel (not blended)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any information would be appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks very much.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Karen Enright
>>>>> Arcadie House Vineyards
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Growwine mailing list
>>>>> Growwine at littlefatwino.com
>>>>> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
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From paul at vivezza.com  Tue Feb 12 19:40:22 2008
From: paul at vivezza.com (Paul Troop)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:40:22 -0800
Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
References: <912726.13133.qm@web56801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0ad201c86dd9$33d05040$6600a8c0@acer684c9a655d>

There are a couple of releases from BC coming soon -- one from Alderlea Vineyards, largely Cabernet Foch, and one that I made at Salt Spring Vineyards, 100% Cabernet Libre. I'll also be releasing a Petite Milo later in the spring. These are incredibly low production wines,  between 30 and 50 cases. 

None are like the wines I tasted from Viewpointe and indeed are almost certainly different Blattner varieties. 

Paul
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  To: growwine at littlefatwino.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines


  It would be great to finally start seeing estate wines made from these Blattner types put into distribution.  They produce excellent wines and should be more noisily promoted in my view.


   
  ----- Original Message ----
  From: Laura <laura-sabourin at sympatico.ca>
  To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:19:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines

  are Either of the Ontario growers on this list ?

  Laura

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Paul Troop" <paul at vivezza.com>
  To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
  Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines


  > Actually, Hans Peter ran (runs) the block where the original Blattner 
  > seeds
  > from Europe were planted. John Fanscy at Viewpointe has been doing long
  > running experiments with some of the varieties.
  >
  > In 2002 Valentin, Hans Peter and I selected the combination of the 
  > earliest,
  > most disease resistant, commercially viable, good tasting varieties from
  > that original block for planting on the West Coast. I have 60 varieties
  > here, Hans Peter had about 1200. I have no idea how many of those 1200 are
  > still around, many were suffering the effects of phyloxerra in 2002 and I
  > had the feeling most would be dead by now. Only the resistant (if there 
  > were
  > any), the lucky, the ones I have, and the ones selected for grafting in
  > Ontario would have made it. I am culling about 30 of them this year, the
  > project is just too big to handle with 60 varieties.
  >
  > Paul
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Terry Rayner" <terry.rayner at sympatico.ca>
  > To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
  > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:11 PM
  > Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines
  >
  >
  >> Ron, Hans Pfeiffer at Euro Nurseries (Leamington area) has some of the
  >> Blattner varieties as well.
  >>
  >> Terry
  >> ----- Original Message ----- 
  >> From: "Ron Olinyk" <rono at mindlinktech.com>
  >> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
  >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:01 PM
  >> Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
  >>
  >>
  >>> In a past thread, Paul Troop sneaked in a reference to Blattner vines.
  >>> In doing some searching on the web for more details, I find very little.
  >>> Seems to be a disease resistant variety(s) of some sort. I'm looking
  >>> into some new varieties to plant this year as the 'itch' of rooting some
  >>> new cuttings gets stronger. Can anyone (Paul?) enlighten me on Blattner
  >>> vines and (hopefully) where I might get some cuttings?
  >>> Thanks
  >>> Ron
  >>>
  >>> Paul Troop wrote:
  >>>> Hi Karen,
  >>>>
  >>>> I had Castel in a vineyard on Salt Spring Island. It was planted in 
  >>>> 1996
  >>>> and
  >>>> we made wine from it in 1998 and 1999. It was the foulest tasting grape
  >>>> I
  >>>> have ever been around, and the wine was just as bad. Before planting
  >>>> that
  >>>> variety make sure you taste some -- perhaps it was just my taste. I 
  >>>> know
  >>>> Cherry Point on Vancouver Island has been growing that variety and I"ve
  >>>> had
  >>>> a wine or two of it from them that was not as bad as the ones I made.
  >>>> Hmmm.
  >>>>
  >>>> We yanked it out in 2000 and planted St. Laurent instead. That was a
  >>>> decent
  >>>> grape here, but overall the Foch and Leon Millot were better. Then I
  >>>> discovered the Blattner vines . . .
  >>>>
  >>>> Paul
  >>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
  >>>> From: "Karen Enright" <karen.enright at ns.sympatico.ca>
  >>>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
  >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:19 PM
  >>>> Subject: [Growwine] DeChaunac & Castel
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>> Does anyone tasted wine made from DeChaunac or Castel (not blended)?
  >>>>>
  >>>>> Any information would be appreciated.
  >>>>>
  >>>>> Thanks very much.
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>> Karen Enright
  >>>>> Arcadie House Vineyards
  >>>>> _______________________________________________
  >>>>> Growwine mailing list
  >>>>> Growwine at littlefatwino.com
  >>>>> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine
  >>>>>
  >>>>
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  >>>>
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From terry.rayner at sympatico.ca  Tue Feb 12 21:40:25 2008
From: terry.rayner at sympatico.ca (Terry Rayner)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:40:25 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
References: <4786B60E.4060102@ns.sympatico.ca><00d001c853fa$09e6f700$7000a8c0@acer684c9a655d><47B0FDDE.8060300@mindlinktech.com><BAYC1-PASMTP02ACDA90EAF4F310E00E99E42B0@CEZ.ICE><095c01c86d1e$77bbec30$6600a8c0@acer684c9a655d>
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That I know of neither John Fanscy not Hans Pfeiffer are on the this list. 
John can be reached at Viewpointe Winery and Hans Pfeiffer at Euro Nursery 
in Harrow.

Terry
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laura" <laura-sabourin at sympatico.ca>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines


> are Either of the Ontario growers on this list ?
>
> Laura
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Troop" <paul at vivezza.com>
> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines
>
>
>> Actually, Hans Peter ran (runs) the block where the original Blattner
>> seeds
>> from Europe were planted. John Fanscy at Viewpointe has been doing long
>> running experiments with some of the varieties.
>>
>> In 2002 Valentin, Hans Peter and I selected the combination of the
>> earliest,
>> most disease resistant, commercially viable, good tasting varieties from
>> that original block for planting on the West Coast. I have 60 varieties
>> here, Hans Peter had about 1200. I have no idea how many of those 1200 
>> are
>> still around, many were suffering the effects of phyloxerra in 2002 and I
>> had the feeling most would be dead by now. Only the resistant (if there
>> were
>> any), the lucky, the ones I have, and the ones selected for grafting in
>> Ontario would have made it. I am culling about 30 of them this year, the
>> project is just too big to handle with 60 varieties.
>>
>> Paul
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Terry Rayner" <terry.rayner at sympatico.ca>
>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines
>>
>>
>>> Ron, Hans Pfeiffer at Euro Nurseries (Leamington area) has some of the
>>> Blattner varieties as well.
>>>
>>> Terry
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Ron Olinyk" <rono at mindlinktech.com>
>>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:01 PM
>>> Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
>>>
>>>
>>>> In a past thread, Paul Troop sneaked in a reference to Blattner vines.
>>>> In doing some searching on the web for more details, I find very 
>>>> little.
>>>> Seems to be a disease resistant variety(s) of some sort. I'm looking
>>>> into some new varieties to plant this year as the 'itch' of rooting 
>>>> some
>>>> new cuttings gets stronger. Can anyone (Paul?) enlighten me on Blattner
>>>> vines and (hopefully) where I might get some cuttings?
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>> Paul Troop wrote:
>>>>> Hi Karen,
>>>>>
>>>>> I had Castel in a vineyard on Salt Spring Island. It was planted in
>>>>> 1996
>>>>> and
>>>>> we made wine from it in 1998 and 1999. It was the foulest tasting 
>>>>> grape
>>>>> I
>>>>> have ever been around, and the wine was just as bad. Before planting
>>>>> that
>>>>> variety make sure you taste some -- perhaps it was just my taste. I
>>>>> know
>>>>> Cherry Point on Vancouver Island has been growing that variety and 
>>>>> I"ve
>>>>> had
>>>>> a wine or two of it from them that was not as bad as the ones I made.
>>>>> Hmmm.
>>>>>
>>>>> We yanked it out in 2000 and planted St. Laurent instead. That was a
>>>>> decent
>>>>> grape here, but overall the Foch and Leon Millot were better. Then I
>>>>> discovered the Blattner vines . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Karen Enright" <karen.enright at ns.sympatico.ca>
>>>>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:19 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Growwine] DeChaunac & Castel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone tasted wine made from DeChaunac or Castel (not blended)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any information would be appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks very much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karen Enright
>>>>>> Arcadie House Vineyards
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Growwine mailing list
>>>>>> Growwine at littlefatwino.com
>>>>>> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>> _______________________________________________
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From gt.hansson at gmail.com  Tue Feb 12 21:40:26 2008
From: gt.hansson at gmail.com (Gerth Hansson)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:40:26 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] CIMA sprayer
Message-ID: <3416c6840802121840i6e0febcx6560b107a38958d@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody used or have any experience with CIMA sprayers made in italy?

These sprayers are built on the "low volume" principle. Anyone tried that?

Any other sprayers out there that operate on the same idea?

Thanks!

/gth

From Brucefrombklyn at aol.com  Wed Feb 13 04:26:44 2008
From: Brucefrombklyn at aol.com (Brucefrombklyn@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:26:44 EST
Subject: [Growwine] CIMA sprayer
Message-ID: <d29.1d7b830c.34e411d4@aol.com>

hi , Dr.  Andrew landers of Cornell university in new York has done  
extensive field trials with quite a few sprayers google him and lots of stuff  will 
come up.I know he reviewed and field tested  the cima
 
                                                                              
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From farm at surfglobal.net  Wed Feb 13 08:29:20 2008
From: farm at surfglobal.net (Per Garp)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:29:20 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
References: <4786B60E.4060102@ns.sympatico.ca><00d001c853fa$09e6f700$7000a8c0@acer684c9a655d><47B0FDDE.8060300@mindlinktech.com><BAYC1-PASMTP02ACDA90EAF4F310E00E99E42B0@CEZ.ICE><095c01c86d1e$77bbec30$6600a8c0@acer684c9a655d><BAYC1-PASMTP04EBC55433D9CBB9DE1A83E82B0@CEZ.ICE>
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Message-ID: <004501c86e44$b283c230$ef22833f@GARPS>

I have been under the believe that Euro Nursery was out of business ? That 
was an interesting nursery as they could ship to the US with no problems ?
Some type of special license ?

Per

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry Rayner" <terry.rayner at sympatico.ca>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines


> That I know of neither John Fanscy not Hans Pfeiffer are on the this list.
> John can be reached at Viewpointe Winery and Hans Pfeiffer at Euro Nursery
> in Harrow.
>
> Terry
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Laura" <laura-sabourin at sympatico.ca>
> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines
>
>
>> are Either of the Ontario growers on this list ?
>>
>> Laura
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Paul Troop" <paul at vivezza.com>
>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines
>>
>>
>>> Actually, Hans Peter ran (runs) the block where the original Blattner
>>> seeds
>>> from Europe were planted. John Fanscy at Viewpointe has been doing long
>>> running experiments with some of the varieties.
>>>
>>> In 2002 Valentin, Hans Peter and I selected the combination of the
>>> earliest,
>>> most disease resistant, commercially viable, good tasting varieties from
>>> that original block for planting on the West Coast. I have 60 varieties
>>> here, Hans Peter had about 1200. I have no idea how many of those 1200
>>> are
>>> still around, many were suffering the effects of phyloxerra in 2002 and 
>>> I
>>> had the feeling most would be dead by now. Only the resistant (if there
>>> were
>>> any), the lucky, the ones I have, and the ones selected for grafting in
>>> Ontario would have made it. I am culling about 30 of them this year, the
>>> project is just too big to handle with 60 varieties.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Terry Rayner" <terry.rayner at sympatico.ca>
>>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ron, Hans Pfeiffer at Euro Nurseries (Leamington area) has some of the
>>>> Blattner varieties as well.
>>>>
>>>> Terry
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Ron Olinyk" <rono at mindlinktech.com>
>>>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:01 PM
>>>> Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In a past thread, Paul Troop sneaked in a reference to Blattner vines.
>>>>> In doing some searching on the web for more details, I find very
>>>>> little.
>>>>> Seems to be a disease resistant variety(s) of some sort. I'm looking
>>>>> into some new varieties to plant this year as the 'itch' of rooting
>>>>> some
>>>>> new cuttings gets stronger. Can anyone (Paul?) enlighten me on 
>>>>> Blattner
>>>>> vines and (hopefully) where I might get some cuttings?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Ron
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Troop wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Karen,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had Castel in a vineyard on Salt Spring Island. It was planted in
>>>>>> 1996
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> we made wine from it in 1998 and 1999. It was the foulest tasting
>>>>>> grape
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> have ever been around, and the wine was just as bad. Before planting
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> variety make sure you taste some -- perhaps it was just my taste. I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> Cherry Point on Vancouver Island has been growing that variety and
>>>>>> I"ve
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> a wine or two of it from them that was not as bad as the ones I made.
>>>>>> Hmmm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We yanked it out in 2000 and planted St. Laurent instead. That was a
>>>>>> decent
>>>>>> grape here, but overall the Foch and Leon Millot were better. Then I
>>>>>> discovered the Blattner vines . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Karen Enright" <karen.enright at ns.sympatico.ca>
>>>>>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:19 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Growwine] DeChaunac & Castel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone tasted wine made from DeChaunac or Castel (not blended)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any information would be appreciated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks very much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Karen Enright
>>>>>>> Arcadie House Vineyards
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Growwine mailing list
>>>>>>> Growwine at littlefatwino.com
>>>>>>> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Growwine mailing list
>>>>>> Growwine at littlefatwino.com
>>>>>> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Growwine mailing list
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>>>>> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
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From terry.rayner at sympatico.ca  Wed Feb 13 08:44:01 2008
From: terry.rayner at sympatico.ca (Terry Rayner)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:44:01 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
In-Reply-To: <004501c86e44$b283c230$ef22833f@GARPS>
Message-ID: <BAY133-F4041B8716AB2FD893CED4FE4240@phx.gbl>

The B.C. and Vineland operations were closed down but Hans Peter Pfeifer is 
still running the operation in Harrow. He's actually presenting at Tender 
Fruit and Vegetable Convention at Brock University next week.

Terry


>From: "Per Garp" <farm at surfglobal.net>
>Reply-To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
>To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines
>Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:29:20 -0500
>
>I have been under the believe that Euro Nursery was out of business ? That
>was an interesting nursery as they could ship to the US with no problems ?
>Some type of special license ?
>
>Per
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Terry Rayner" <terry.rayner at sympatico.ca>
>To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:40 PM
>Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines
>
>
> > That I know of neither John Fanscy not Hans Pfeiffer are on the this 
>list.
> > John can be reached at Viewpointe Winery and Hans Pfeiffer at Euro 
>Nursery
> > in Harrow.
> >
> > Terry
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Laura" <laura-sabourin at sympatico.ca>
> > To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines
> >
> >
> >> are Either of the Ontario growers on this list ?
> >>
> >> Laura
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Paul Troop" <paul at vivezza.com>
> >> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:24 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines
> >>
> >>
> >>> Actually, Hans Peter ran (runs) the block where the original Blattner
> >>> seeds
> >>> from Europe were planted. John Fanscy at Viewpointe has been doing 
>long
> >>> running experiments with some of the varieties.
> >>>
> >>> In 2002 Valentin, Hans Peter and I selected the combination of the
> >>> earliest,
> >>> most disease resistant, commercially viable, good tasting varieties 
>from
> >>> that original block for planting on the West Coast. I have 60 
>varieties
> >>> here, Hans Peter had about 1200. I have no idea how many of those 1200
> >>> are
> >>> still around, many were suffering the effects of phyloxerra in 2002 
>and
> >>> I
> >>> had the feeling most would be dead by now. Only the resistant (if 
>there
> >>> were
> >>> any), the lucky, the ones I have, and the ones selected for grafting 
>in
> >>> Ontario would have made it. I am culling about 30 of them this year, 
>the
> >>> project is just too big to handle with 60 varieties.
> >>>
> >>> Paul
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Terry Rayner" <terry.rayner at sympatico.ca>
> >>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> >>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:11 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Ron, Hans Pfeiffer at Euro Nurseries (Leamington area) has some of 
>the
> >>>> Blattner varieties as well.
> >>>>
> >>>> Terry
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Ron Olinyk" <rono at mindlinktech.com>
> >>>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:01 PM
> >>>> Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> In a past thread, Paul Troop sneaked in a reference to Blattner 
>vines.
> >>>>> In doing some searching on the web for more details, I find very
> >>>>> little.
> >>>>> Seems to be a disease resistant variety(s) of some sort. I'm looking
> >>>>> into some new varieties to plant this year as the 'itch' of rooting
> >>>>> some
> >>>>> new cuttings gets stronger. Can anyone (Paul?) enlighten me on
> >>>>> Blattner
> >>>>> vines and (hopefully) where I might get some cuttings?
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>> Ron
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Paul Troop wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi Karen,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I had Castel in a vineyard on Salt Spring Island. It was planted in
> >>>>>> 1996
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> we made wine from it in 1998 and 1999. It was the foulest tasting
> >>>>>> grape
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> have ever been around, and the wine was just as bad. Before 
>planting
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> variety make sure you taste some -- perhaps it was just my taste. I
> >>>>>> know
> >>>>>> Cherry Point on Vancouver Island has been growing that variety and
> >>>>>> I"ve
> >>>>>> had
> >>>>>> a wine or two of it from them that was not as bad as the ones I 
>made.
> >>>>>> Hmmm.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We yanked it out in 2000 and planted St. Laurent instead. That was 
>a
> >>>>>> decent
> >>>>>> grape here, but overall the Foch and Leon Millot were better. Then 
>I
> >>>>>> discovered the Blattner vines . . .
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Paul
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "Karen Enright" <karen.enright at ns.sympatico.ca>
> >>>>>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:19 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: [Growwine] DeChaunac & Castel
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Does anyone tasted wine made from DeChaunac or Castel (not 
>blended)?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Any information would be appreciated.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks very much.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Karen Enright
> >>>>>>> Arcadie House Vineyards
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>> Growwine mailing list
> >>>>>>> Growwine at littlefatwino.com
> >>>>>>> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> Growwine mailing list
> >>>>>> Growwine at littlefatwino.com
> >>>>>> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
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From baileyandtrent2 at yahoo.ca  Wed Feb 13 10:03:24 2008
From: baileyandtrent2 at yahoo.ca (melissa lounsbury)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 07:03:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
Message-ID: <824594.10875.qm@web32106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Euro is interesting in many ways, even when it  comes to paying bills .They owe us over a million dollars todate.



----- Original Message ----
From: Per Garp <farm at surfglobal.net>
To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:29:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines

I have been under the believe that Euro Nursery was out of business ? That 
was an interesting nursery as they could ship to the US with no problems ?
Some type of special license ?

Per

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry Rayner" <terry.rayner at sympatico.ca>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines


> That I know of neither John Fanscy not Hans Pfeiffer are on the this list.
> John can be reached at Viewpointe Winery and Hans Pfeiffer at Euro Nursery
> in Harrow.
>
> Terry
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Laura" <laura-sabourin at sympatico.ca>
> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines
>
>
>> are Either of the Ontario growers on this list ?
>>
>> Laura
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Paul Troop" <paul at vivezza.com>
>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines
>>
>>
>>> Actually, Hans Peter ran (runs) the block where the original Blattner
>>> seeds
>>> from Europe were planted. John Fanscy at Viewpointe has been doing long
>>> running experiments with some of the varieties.
>>>
>>> In 2002 Valentin, Hans Peter and I selected the combination of the
>>> earliest,
>>> most disease resistant, commercially viable, good tasting varieties from
>>> that original block for planting on the West Coast. I have 60 varieties
>>> here, Hans Peter had about 1200. I have no idea how many of those 1200
>>> are
>>> still around, many were suffering the effects of phyloxerra in 2002 and 
>>> I
>>> had the feeling most would be dead by now. Only the resistant (if there
>>> were
>>> any), the lucky, the ones I have, and the ones selected for grafting in
>>> Ontario would have made it. I am culling about 30 of them this year, the
>>> project is just too big to handle with 60 varieties.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Terry Rayner" <terry.rayner at sympatico.ca>
>>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ron, Hans Pfeiffer at Euro Nurseries (Leamington area) has some of the
>>>> Blattner varieties as well.
>>>>
>>>> Terry
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Ron Olinyk" <rono at mindlinktech.com>
>>>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:01 PM
>>>> Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In a past thread, Paul Troop sneaked in a reference to Blattner vines.
>>>>> In doing some searching on the web for more details, I find very
>>>>> little.
>>>>> Seems to be a disease resistant variety(s) of some sort. I'm looking
>>>>> into some new varieties to plant this year as the 'itch' of rooting
>>>>> some
>>>>> new cuttings gets stronger. Can anyone (Paul?) enlighten me on 
>>>>> Blattner
>>>>> vines and (hopefully) where I might get some cuttings?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Ron
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Troop wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Karen,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had Castel in a vineyard on Salt Spring Island. It was planted in
>>>>>> 1996
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> we made wine from it in 1998 and 1999. It was the foulest tasting
>>>>>> grape
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> have ever been around, and the wine was just as bad. Before planting
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> variety make sure you taste some -- perhaps it was just my taste. I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> Cherry Point on Vancouver Island has been growing that variety and
>>>>>> I"ve
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> a wine or two of it from them that was not as bad as the ones I made.
>>>>>> Hmmm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We yanked it out in 2000 and planted St. Laurent instead. That was a
>>>>>> decent
>>>>>> grape here, but overall the Foch and Leon Millot were better. Then I
>>>>>> discovered the Blattner vines . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Karen Enright" <karen.enright at ns.sympatico.ca>
>>>>>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:19 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Growwine] DeChaunac & Castel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone tasted wine made from DeChaunac or Castel (not blended)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any information would be appreciated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks very much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Karen Enright
>>>>>>> Arcadie House Vineyards
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From laura-sabourin at sympatico.ca  Wed Feb 13 10:14:31 2008
From: laura-sabourin at sympatico.ca (Laura)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:14:31 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Blattner vines
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WOW what do they buy from you ?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: melissa lounsbury 
  To: growwine at littlefatwino.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:03 AM
  Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines


  Euro is interesting in many ways, even when it  comes to paying bills .They owe us over a million dollars todate. 



  ----- Original Message ----
  From: Per Garp <farm at surfglobal.net>
  To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:29:20 AM
  Subject: Re: [Growwine] Blattner vines

  I have been under the believe that Euro Nursery was out of business ? That 
  was an interesting nursery as