[Growwine] Environment Canada Degree Days Averages Back To 1961Sudbury, Ontario vs., Brandon Manitoba.xls

[Scott Dolson]

There is a fellow on Manitoulin Island is growing Brianna, Frontenac, 
Sabrevois and other typical cold hardy varieties. I hear-tell that there 
are more than a few in the Sudbury area doing the same in many backyards.

Per Larry's earlier piece on the variability of local climes in the 
Peterborough area ...with some plant protection ingenuity and  
verasion/ripening enhancements, perhaps cool-climate hybrids will adapt 
to the Sudbury/Sault St. Marie areas. Certainly Marquette could do this!

Scott

Paul Bulas wrote:
> This will have to be verified possibly by Lon or someone, and it must 
> be said that this isn't a "traditional" wine variety, but ... how 
> about Valiant?  It is supposed to be hardy down to -50F, and I know 
> first-hand that it begins to ripen in mid-August up in the Sault Ste. 
> Marie area.  So it would likely work - in theory at least - given 
> those numbers.
>  
> And from what I know, it will get wine-level Brix too.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Larry Paterson <littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca>
> To: harold.tracanelli at bellnet.ca; growwine at littlefatwino.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2008 8:01:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Environment Canada Degree Days Averages Back 
> To 1961Sudbury, Ontario vs., Brandon Manitoba.xls
>
>  
> Harold
>  
> I'm not sure how you are getting to the numbers you report from the 
> Environment Canada information for Degree Days 10 C.   Sudbury showing 
> 912 and Brandon 930 seem about right  yet you have adjusted the 
> numbers upward.
>  
> There are grape varieties (not to mention other fruit suitable to 
> wine) that will ripen in this type of heat.  But they certainly don't 
> include vinifera, or most of the well-known French hybrids.
>  
> The other two serious factors are frost (spring and fall) and winter 
> minimums.  Frost can be dealt with in many ways, from planting on 
> steep slopes through smudge-pot fires (ask about Raymond Huneault!) to 
> wind turbines.  Winter minimums can be dealt with by either some type 
> of more or less intensive protection measure.  But best if you have a 
> site that has hardy vines (to the climate of that site) which will 
> work to it.
>  
> In Peterborough there are four Env. Cda sites with full information, 
> reporting in turn the following dd 10C:
> 1009
> 1087
> 1153
> 1206
>  
> showing that particular site within a small region can be very 
> important indeed.
>  
> For comparative purposes Picton in Prince Edward County shows 1239 dd 
> 10C,  Vineland Station 1334 and Harrow shows 1527
>  
> Another significant difference is that the record cold in Vineland 
> Station is -26C, Harrow -29C, Picton -36C, Peterborough -38C, Brandon 
> -46C and Sudbury -39C.  -39C with a limitation of 912 degree days is a 
> poser. 
>  
> Any of the experts online want to recommend fruit of any kind suited 
> to these limitations, assuming frost control can be done, and that a 
> normal expectation would be -35C with 900 dd 10C?
>  
> Lardy
>  
> Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
> (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)
>  
> http://www.littlefatwino.com/
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Harold Tracanelli <mailto:harold.tracanelli at bellnet.ca>
> *To:* growwine at littlefatwino.com <mailto:growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> *Cc:* 'Shari G' <mailto:maing_64 at hotmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 05, 2008 10:26 AM
> *Subject:* [Growwine] Environment Canada Degree Days Averages Back To 
> 1961Sudbury, Ontario vs., Brandon Manitoba.xls
>
> July 05th., 2008
>  
> Folk have a a look at the attached data sheet, keep an open mind as 
> one reviews the attached viticulture support data not much of a 
> stretch of the imagination is required.  I would strongly advocate 
> that presently with the horticultural - viticulture and Viniculture 
> technology that is available there is no sound reason why, except for 
> of course the ever present eye and control of government, including 
> stigmas and folks sitting on hands, no reason why it should not be 
> possible to expand the grape growing territory in central and North 
> central Ontario.  I would contend that those in the wine producing 
> center of the universe down in Niagara should be shown were the grapes 
> grow in the pine trees.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Harold Tracanelli Getn. P.Geo.
>  
>
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