[Growwine] Environment Canada Degree Days Averages Back To 1961Sudbury, Ontario vs., Brandon Manitoba.xls

[jack/shirley hoganson]

Is Marquette now available in Canada and if so where?

On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Scott Dolson <scott.dolson at sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> There is a fellow on Manitoulin Island is growing Brianna, Frontenac,
> Sabrevois and other typical cold hardy varieties. I hear-tell that there are
> more than a few in the Sudbury area doing the same in many backyards.
>
> Per Larry's earlier piece on the variability of local climes in the
> Peterborough area ...with some plant protection ingenuity and
> verasion/ripening enhancements, perhaps cool-climate hybrids will adapt to
> the Sudbury/Sault St. Marie areas. Certainly Marquette could do this!
>
> Scott
>
>
> Paul Bulas wrote:
>
>  This will have to be verified possibly by Lon or someone, and it must be
> said that this isn't a "traditional" wine variety, but ... how about
> Valiant?  It is supposed to be hardy down to -50F, and I know first-hand
> that it begins to ripen in mid-August up in the Sault Ste. Marie area.  So
> it would likely work - in theory at least - given those numbers.
>
> And from what I know, it will get wine-level Brix too.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Larry Paterson <littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca> <littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca>
> To: harold.tracanelli at bellnet.ca; growwine at littlefatwino.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2008 8:01:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Environment Canada Degree Days Averages Back To
> 1961Sudbury, Ontario vs., Brandon Manitoba.xls
>
>
> Harold
>
> I'm not sure how you are getting to the numbers you report from the
> Environment Canada information for Degree Days 10 C.   Sudbury showing 912
> and Brandon 930 seem about right  yet you have adjusted the numbers upward.
>
> There are grape varieties (not to mention other fruit suitable to wine)
> that will ripen in this type of heat.  But they certainly don't include
> vinifera, or most of the well-known French hybrids.
>
> The other two serious factors are frost (spring and fall) and winter
> minimums.  Frost can be dealt with in many ways, from planting on steep
> slopes through smudge-pot fires (ask about Raymond Huneault!) to wind
> turbines.  Winter minimums can be dealt with by either some type of more or
> less intensive protection measure.  But best if you have a site that has
> hardy vines (to the climate of that site) which will work to it.
>
> In Peterborough there are four Env. Cda sites with full information,
> reporting in turn the following dd 10C:
> 1009
> 1087
> 1153
> 1206
>
> showing that particular site within a small region can be very important
> indeed.
>
> For comparative purposes Picton in Prince Edward County shows 1239 dd
> 10C,  Vineland Station 1334 and Harrow shows 1527
>
> Another significant difference is that the record cold in Vineland Station
> is -26C, Harrow -29C, Picton -36C, Peterborough -38C, Brandon -46C and
> Sudbury -39C.  -39C with a limitation of 912 degree days is a poser.
>
> Any of the experts online want to recommend fruit of any kind suited to
> these limitations, assuming frost control can be done, and that a normal
> expectation would be -35C with 900 dd 10C?
>
> Lardy
>
> Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
> (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)
>
> http://www.littlefatwino.com/
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Harold Tracanelli<harold.tracanelli at bellnet.ca>
> *To:* growwine at littlefatwino.com
> *Cc:* 'Shari G' <maing_64 at hotmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 05, 2008 10:26 AM
> *Subject:* [Growwine] Environment Canada Degree Days Averages Back To
> 1961Sudbury, Ontario vs., Brandon Manitoba.xls
>
> July 05th., 2008
>
> Folk have a a look at the attached data sheet, keep an open mind as one
> reviews the attached viticulture support data not much of a stretch of the
> imagination is required.  I would strongly advocate that presently with the
> horticultural - viticulture and Viniculture technology that is available
> there is no sound reason why, except for of course the ever present eye and
> control of government, including stigmas and folks sitting on hands, no
> reason why it should not be possible to expand the grape growing territory
> in central and North central Ontario.  I would contend that those in the
> wine producing center of the universe down in Niagara should be shown were
> the grapes grow in the pine trees.
>
> Regards,
>
> Harold Tracanelli Getn. P.Geo.
>
>
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