[Growwine] Environment Canada Degree Days Averages Back To 1961Sudbury, Ontario vs., Brandon Manitoba.xls

[jack/shirley hoganson]

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 9:10 AM, jack/shirley hoganson <
windermerevineyard at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is Marquette now available in Canada and if so where?
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Scott Dolson <scott.dolson at sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> There is a fellow on Manitoulin Island is growing Brianna, Frontenac,
>> Sabrevois and other typical cold hardy varieties. I hear-tell that there are
>> more than a few in the Sudbury area doing the same in many backyards.
>>
>> Per Larry's earlier piece on the variability of local climes in the
>> Peterborough area ...with some plant protection ingenuity and
>> verasion/ripening enhancements, perhaps cool-climate hybrids will adapt to
>> the Sudbury/Sault St. Marie areas. Certainly Marquette could do this!
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> Paul Bulas wrote:
>>
>>  This will have to be verified possibly by Lon or someone, and it must be
>> said that this isn't a "traditional" wine variety, but ... how about
>> Valiant?  It is supposed to be hardy down to -50F, and I know first-hand
>> that it begins to ripen in mid-August up in the Sault Ste. Marie area.  So
>> it would likely work - in theory at least - given those numbers.
>>
>> And from what I know, it will get wine-level Brix too.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Larry Paterson <littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca><littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca>
>> To: harold.tracanelli at bellnet.ca; growwine at littlefatwino.com
>> Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2008 8:01:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Environment Canada Degree Days Averages Back To
>> 1961Sudbury, Ontario vs., Brandon Manitoba.xls
>>
>>
>> Harold
>>
>> I'm not sure how you are getting to the numbers you report from the
>> Environment Canada information for Degree Days 10 C.   Sudbury showing 912
>> and Brandon 930 seem about right  yet you have adjusted the numbers upward.
>>
>> There are grape varieties (not to mention other fruit suitable to wine)
>> that will ripen in this type of heat.  But they certainly don't include
>> vinifera, or most of the well-known French hybrids.
>>
>> The other two serious factors are frost (spring and fall) and winter
>> minimums.  Frost can be dealt with in many ways, from planting on steep
>> slopes through smudge-pot fires (ask about Raymond Huneault!) to wind
>> turbines.  Winter minimums can be dealt with by either some type of more or
>> less intensive protection measure.  But best if you have a site that has
>> hardy vines (to the climate of that site) which will work to it.
>>
>> In Peterborough there are four Env. Cda sites with full information,
>> reporting in turn the following dd 10C:
>> 1009
>> 1087
>> 1153
>> 1206
>>
>> showing that particular site within a small region can be very important
>> indeed.
>>
>> For comparative purposes Picton in Prince Edward County shows 1239 dd
>> 10C,  Vineland Station 1334 and Harrow shows 1527
>>
>> Another significant difference is that the record cold in Vineland Station
>> is -26C, Harrow -29C, Picton -36C, Peterborough -38C, Brandon -46C and
>> Sudbury -39C.  -39C with a limitation of 912 degree days is a poser.
>>
>> Any of the experts online want to recommend fruit of any kind suited to
>> these limitations, assuming frost control can be done, and that a normal
>> expectation would be -35C with 900 dd 10C?
>>
>> Lardy
>>
>> Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
>> (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)
>>
>> http://www.littlefatwino.com/
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Harold Tracanelli<harold.tracanelli at bellnet.ca>
>> *To:* growwine at littlefatwino.com
>> *Cc:* 'Shari G' <maing_64 at hotmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 05, 2008 10:26 AM
>> *Subject:* [Growwine] Environment Canada Degree Days Averages Back To
>> 1961Sudbury, Ontario vs., Brandon Manitoba.xls
>>
>> July 05th., 2008
>>
>> Folk have a a look at the attached data sheet, keep an open mind as one
>> reviews the attached viticulture support data not much of a stretch of the
>> imagination is required.  I would strongly advocate that presently with the
>> horticultural - viticulture and Viniculture technology that is available
>> there is no sound reason why, except for of course the ever present eye and
>> control of government, including stigmas and folks sitting on hands, no
>> reason why it should not be possible to expand the grape growing territory
>> in central and North central Ontario.  I would contend that those in the
>> wine producing center of the universe down in Niagara should be shown were
>> the grapes grow in the pine trees.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Harold Tracanelli Getn. P.Geo.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> _______________________________________________
>> Growwine mailing list
>> Growwine at littlefatwino.com
>> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Now with a new friend-happy design! Try the new *Yahoo! Canada Messenger*<http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Growwine mailing listGrowwine at littlefatwino.comhttp://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Growwine mailing list
>> Growwine at littlefatwino.com
>> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Windermere Vineyards
> "a winers retreat"




-- 
Windermere Vineyards
"a winers retreat"
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080707/07e29f43/attachment.html