[Growwine] Must be some of you they are talking about

[Ryan Daum]

This consumer would dearly love it if the various heterodox wineries
that are in non-approved growing regions or are in approved growing
regions but with non-"standard" grapes would just come up with their
own consistent appellation marker that indicates 100% Ontario,
unadulterated regional wine, market it whatever way they can afford,
and then lobby politicians to have it recognized on equal tax footing
with the VQA.

How about "Quality Ontario Wine" designation...

As a taxpayer and voter, I'd join that campaign...

R

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 06:06:53PM -0400, vigdespins at aol.com wrote:
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> The market wants vinifera wines and the regs reflect this. Remember they ripped out huge acreage of hybrids in B.C., Ontario and France for market share.
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> Gilles in Sabrevois
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> ---- Original Message ----
> From: CanadaVintage <canadavintage at hotmail.com>
> To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
> Sent: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 9:51 pm
> Subject: Re: [Growwine] Must be some of you they are talking about
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> I am wondering,
> ow may VQA bulldogs out there actually have the means or knowledge to tell
>  50-50 cross from 100% vinifera?
> f VQA is a problem, in Ontario, with small wineries outside the VDA, then
> hy not plant hardy varieties  and name it "merlot" so you can get onto the
> QA list. Who would know otherwise?
> DNA testing?  I doubt it.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> rom: "Paul Bulas" <pabls at yahoo.com>
> o: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> ent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:23 PM
> ubject: Re: [Growwine] Must be some of you they are talking about
> 
> hanks for your detailed reply Mike.  I will say that the whole VQA thing is
> nother obstacle that will one day need to be addressed.  I have always
> elieved that if a grape is suitable to a particular terroir and can ripen
> ith wine-level Brix and workable acidity, then that grape should be counted
> s an officially recognized cultivar for that particular area and should be
> fforded some kind of status.  My concern at this time is that there are
> any climatically suitable grapevines out there (the Minnesota varieties but
> lso perhaps the new NY releases - Corot Noir, GR7 and Noiret) which are not
> iven such representation because they are not of the "correct" lineage.  In
> eality, look at how much fighting against nature it takes to make vinifera
> row ... all the spraying, all the worrying that cold will destroy the
> ineyard, etc.  I know I'm in the minority at present, but if the goal is to
> stablish a wine culture using grape varieties suited to
> short-season / cold-winter areas, then the regulatory responses must become
> riendlier with respect to that goal.
> Just my 2??.
> ----- Original Message ----
> rom: Mike Todd <mike at coffinridge.ca>
> o: growwine at littlefatwino.com
> ent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:17:00 PM
> ubject: Re: [Growwine] Must be some of you they are talking about
> Paul,
> Coffin Ridge (Just outside of Meaford, ON) is on Georgian bay and outside of
>  DVA. We have embraced the cold hardy varieties (9 acres soon to be 25)
> hat you mentioned. We also grow Baco and Foch with great success (and we
> on't burry anything) We can grow grapes that are suited to our cold winters
> often -32c) and short(er) summers. We don't have to waste resources burring
> ines and only getting <1tonne to the acre.
> I would say the cards are defenatly stacked against a winery trying to start
> utside of a DVA and where you can't grow VQA grapes. We are, for example,
> ssentially taxed as a non Ontario made product when sold to restaurants
> over 50%). People like Larry and COVA will hopefully change this. Apart
> rom the giant regulatory hurtles and capital requirements wineries will
> tart popping up all over the place. Example -- There will soon be two
> ineries in this area Gerogian Hills and Coffin Ridge. The response to our
> pening has been, well, scary. Not because there is no interest, but because
> here may be too much.
> To answer your question "Why Not" It's really tough to make a business case
> hen you can't VQA your wines, the taxes are just too damn high.
> Didn't they have a tea party in Boston because of that? No Taxation without
> epresentation. I'll tell you one thing I'm ready to make some tea.
> Mike
> offin Ridge
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