From littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca  Thu May  1 22:05:32 2008
From: littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca (Larry Paterson)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:05:32 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] Fw: Attend The May 26th Organic Forum
Message-ID: <001801c8abf9$028de840$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>

Lon

sounds good so I sent it on...

Lardy

Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)

http://www.littlefatwino.com/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Lon J. Rombough 
To: Larry Paterson 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:41 PM
Subject: Fwd: Attend The May 26th Organic Forum


Larry:
Wasn't sure if this would fit Growwine or not. 
-Lon Rombough

Begin forwarded message:

From: Invite <info at canadianfoodsafetyinstitute.ca>
Date: May 1, 2008 7:21:46 AM PDT
To: lonrom at bunchgrapes.com
Subject: Attend The May 26th Organic Forum

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From pabls at yahoo.com  Fri May  2 15:20:10 2008
From: pabls at yahoo.com (Paul Bulas)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:20:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Growwine] Great stuff: South Dakota winery making renowned Vitis
	riparia wine
Message-ID: <642285.79300.qm@web56804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

It's even?enjoyed in Paris, France: http://www.prairiebizmag.com/articles/index.cfm?id=9401


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From littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca  Fri May  2 15:46:08 2008
From: littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca (Larry Paterson)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:46:08 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] From today's Toronto Sun
Message-ID: <003501c8ac8e$612dbca0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>


Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:36 AM
Subject: From today's Toronto Sun


LCBO's 'Enviro-Chic' is an enviro-sham

 

      By DAVID MENZIES 
      
     

Combining a slick PR strategy along with self-congratulatory radio ads, the LCBO has just wrapped up its "Enviro Chic: The Evolution of Packaging" campaign. 

Hopping aboard the oh-so-fashionable green bandwagon, the state-sanctioned liquor monopoly is positioning itself as an environmental champion after "challenging" its suppliers to reduce packaging. 

But while the LCBO's environmental pronouncements appear bubbly, upon sober second thought, Booze Inc.'s environmental bravado is enough to drive one to drink. 

Essentially, the LCBO's environmental strategy boils down to simple weight reduction given that some suppliers are eschewing glass for aluminum, Tetra Pak and plastic. But doing what's right for the environment entails a more comprehensive approach than merely putting containers on a diet. 

For starters, consider the LCBO's push for wine suppliers to drop glass bottles in favour of Tetra Paks. Undeniably, a Tetra Pak carton is lighter than a glass bottle; however, the recycling rate for Tetra Pak containers is abysmal. According to Waste Diversion Ontario, a minuscule 12.7% of Tetra Pak packaging was recovered in 2005, meaning 87.3% ended up in landfill. And Tetra Paks, like Toronto's garbage, must be shipped to Michigan for processing since there aren't any facilities to recycle Tetra Paks in Ontario. 


     
As well, the Toronto Environmental Alliance -- which refers to the LCBO's "Enviro Chic" initiative as "Enviro Sham" -- notes Tetra Paks are derived from virgin pulp and aluminum. As such, the manufacture of Tetra Pak containers requires excessive energy consumption and needlessly depletes natural resources. 

By comparison, TEA notes almost 100% of all refillable glass bottles are recovered. 

"Looking simply at the weight of the packaging ignores all the other environmental damage done by single use containers," says TEA's Franz Hartmann. 

FOREIGN PLONK 

Misleading environmental claims aside, there's an even more insidious reason why the LCBO is embracing "alternative packaging." Tetra Paks typically contain foreign plonk such as French Rabbit (not even sold in France). The reason: The LCBO prefers foreign wine over the domestic product as it perceives Ontario vintners as a competitive threat due to their on-site wine stores. 

This is the unspoken reason why Ontario wines are treated as second-class citizens at LCBO stores. According to the Wine Council of Ontario, Ontario wines can account for up to 30% of total LCBO wine sales. Yet, many LCBO stores give Ontario wines as little as 14% shelf space. Since the LCBO is always under pressure to return more dividends to the province, the liquor board isn't keen on seeing the domestic industry succeed. Indeed, regulations actually prohibit Ontario VQA wines from being sold in Tetra Pak containers. 

Meanwhile, the best environmental stewardship project launched in Ontario in recent memory is Bag It Back, the deposit/return scheme designed to divert spent wine and liquor containers from the blue box system. How curious the LCBO wanted nothing to do with Bag It Back; in fact, the liquor monopoly tried to kill the initiative. 

Indeed, you may be wondering why liquor and wine bottles purchased at LCBO stores must be returned to The Beer Store chain. Alas, the back story behind Bag It Back makes for fascinating reading. Essentially, in a last-ditch attempt to torpedo the deposit/return scheme, the LCBO informed its ministerial masters its stores weren't equipped to handle empties. The LCBO's spin doctors gambled this falsehood would kill the program outright. They were dead wrong. 

Instead, the province enlisted the brewers to run the program. If anything, the LCBO forfeited a golden marketing opportunity. The liquor board could have taken environmentalism upscale by positioning itself as a true environmental champion. Instead, The Beer Store now receives those accolades. 

PLAN B 

Apparently desperate for an environmental win, the LCBO has switched to Plan B: Namely, focus on packaging weight. 

What does the LCBO have to say in defence of its Enviro Sham -- er -- Chic campaign? Not much. Lyle Clark, the LCBO's environmental affairs specialist who solicits environmental feedback via the LCBO's website, refused to comment. 

Bottom line: As domestic wine producers continue to get the shaft at the LCBO -- and after missing the boat on Bag It Back -- the LCBO continues to champion bogus environmental initiatives all in an effort to make it seem as though it's doing something proactive. 

Your tax dollars hard at work yet again, folks

 



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From ryan at darksleep.com  Fri May  2 20:19:38 2008
From: ryan at darksleep.com (Ryan Daum)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 20:19:38 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] Great stuff: South Dakota winery making
	renowned	Vitis riparia wine
In-Reply-To: <642285.79300.qm@web56804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <642285.79300.qm@web56804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1209773978.6415.3.camel@teak>

The acid & sugar balance in wild riparia I've picked is much better
after first frost.  But, I wonder how he keeps the birds from taking it
all.  Given what wineries are doing with baco noir & frontenac (both 50%
v.riparia) I can't help but wonder what could be done with selected
v.riparia cultivated on a good site with the right soil and with
aggressive pruning, crop thinning, etc.

Ryan

On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 12:20 -0700, Paul Bulas wrote:
> It's even enjoyed in Paris, France: http://www.prairiebizmag.com/articles/index.cfm?id=9401
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From lonrom at hevanet.com  Sat May  3 00:11:56 2008
From: lonrom at hevanet.com (Lon J. Rombough)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 21:11:56 -0700
Subject: [Growwine] Great stuff: South Dakota winery making
	renowned	Vitis riparia wine
In-Reply-To: <1209773978.6415.3.camel@teak>
References: <642285.79300.qm@web56804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<1209773978.6415.3.camel@teak>
Message-ID: <3c48fca5302af910bed484c67c44487c@hevanet.com>

Pat Pierquet evaluated and selected wild riparia for his graduate work 
in the 1970's.  One of his selections was the basis of Frontenac.  Herb 
Fritzke in Minnesota has done several generations of selecting on 
riparia.  He started with the best he could find, then planted seed in 
the wild and mapped the locations.  He let Nature weed out the poor 
ones, and planted seed of the best.  He went through several 
generations that way.  Patrick's and Herb's  best selections have been 
collected at the U. of Minnesota.  That also includes some of the best 
Manitoba selections.
The main drawback to using riparia for wine is that the species is 
dioecious, so you'd have to interplant them either with male riparias 
or with perfect flowered grapes to pollinate them so you'd get a crop.
-Lon Rombough
Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape Grower, at 
http://www.bunchgrapes.com  Winner of the Garden Writers Association 
"Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003.
For even more grape lessons, go to  http://www.grapeschool.com
For all other things grape,   http://www.vitisearch.com

On May 2, 2008, at 5:19 PM, Ryan Daum wrote:

The acid & sugar balance in wild riparia I've picked is much better
after first frost.  But, I wonder how he keeps the birds from taking it
all.  Given what wineries are doing with baco noir & frontenac (both 50%
v.riparia) I can't help but wonder what could be done with selected
v.riparia cultivated on a good site with the right soil and with
aggressive pruning, crop thinning, etc.

Ryan

On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 12:20 -0700, Paul Bulas wrote:
> It's even enjoyed in Paris, France: 
> http://www.prairiebizmag.com/articles/index.cfm?id=9401
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From midmp at abacom.com  Sat May  3 11:39:58 2008
From: midmp at abacom.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Martin_Par=E9?=)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 07:39:58 -0800
Subject: [Growwine] Frost - not a replicated trial but...
Message-ID: <481C16CE.4991.2B3A6475@midmp.abacom.com>

Hi,

finally, the week went by with -2.4 C as the low and a white frost.  

Vines came through not to bad, except for ES8243 which suffered a pretty 
even along the row, oh, roughly 50 % frozen buds, while DM8521-1, as 
advanced (E-l stage nearly 05 - ie pinky-greeny visible),with not real damage, 
somerset, nearly as advanced, a bud here and there.

the 10-18-xx also had some damages eventhough not as advanced (being 
between 03 and 05)

now if one can coax good wine from dm8521, it would quite a grape.  every 
darn bud is bursting, budburst is even, not too late maturing, "frost tolerant", 
not too prone to disease, cuttings root like quackgrass.  

as for 8243, may have been its darwinian week...

martin

From baileyandtrent2 at yahoo.ca  Sat May  3 16:43:40 2008
From: baileyandtrent2 at yahoo.ca (melissa lounsbury)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 13:43:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Growwine] From today's Toronto Sun
Message-ID: <610054.59226.qm@web32108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

A very good story Larry. This is what I had to say when they first came out with that Idea. If they keep on we will be selling Ontario Wine like we sell milk( 3 in a plastic bag)??? Maurice. 


----- Original Message ----
From: Larry Paterson <littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca>
To: Growwine List <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Friday, May 2, 2008 3:46:08 PM
Subject: [Growwine] From today's Toronto Sun


?
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:36 AM
Subject: From today's Toronto Sun

LCBO's 'Enviro-Chic' is an enviro-sham
?
By DAVID MENZIES ? 
Combining a slick PR strategy along with self-congratulatory radio ads, the LCBO has just wrapped up its "Enviro Chic: The Evolution of Packaging" campaign. 
Hopping aboard the oh-so-fashionable green bandwagon, the state-sanctioned liquor monopoly is positioning itself as an environmental champion after "challenging" its suppliers to reduce packaging. 
But while the LCBO's environmental pronouncements appear bubbly, upon sober second thought, Booze Inc.'s environmental bravado is enough to drive one to drink. 
Essentially, the LCBO's environmental strategy boils down to simple weight reduction given that some suppliers are eschewing glass for aluminum, Tetra Pak and plastic. But doing what's right for the environment entails a more comprehensive approach than merely putting containers on a diet. 
For starters, consider the LCBO's push for wine suppliers to drop glass bottles in favour of Tetra Paks. Undeniably, a Tetra Pak carton is lighter than a glass bottle; however, the recycling rate for Tetra Pak containers is abysmal. According to Waste Diversion Ontario, a minuscule 12.7% of Tetra Pak packaging was recovered in 2005, meaning 87.3% ended up in landfill. And Tetra Paks, like Toronto's garbage, must be shipped to Michigan for processing since there aren't any facilities to recycle Tetra Paks in Ontario. 
 
As well, the Toronto Environmental Alliance -- which refers to the LCBO's "Enviro Chic" initiative as "Enviro Sham" -- notes Tetra Paks are derived from virgin pulp and aluminum. As such, the manufacture of Tetra Pak containers requires excessive energy consumption and needlessly depletes natural resources. 
By comparison, TEA notes almost 100% of all refillable glass bottles are recovered. 
"Looking simply at the weight of the packaging ignores all the other environmental damage done by single use containers," says TEA's Franz Hartmann. 
FOREIGN PLONK 
Misleading environmental claims aside, there's an even more insidious reason why the LCBO is embracing "alternative packaging." Tetra Paks typically contain foreign plonk such as French Rabbit (not even sold in France). The reason: The LCBO prefers foreign wine over the domestic product as it perceives Ontario vintners as a competitive threat due to their on-site wine stores. 
This is the unspoken reason why Ontario wines are treated as second-class citizens at LCBO stores. According to the Wine Council of Ontario, Ontario wines can account for up to 30% of total LCBO wine sales. Yet, many LCBO stores give Ontario wines as little as 14% shelf space. Since the LCBO is always under pressure to return more dividends to the province, the liquor board isn't keen on seeing the domestic industry succeed. Indeed, regulations actually prohibit Ontario VQA wines from being sold in Tetra Pak containers. 
Meanwhile, the best environmental stewardship project launched in Ontario in recent memory is Bag It Back, the deposit/return scheme designed to divert spent wine and liquor containers from the blue box system. How curious the LCBO wanted nothing to do with Bag It Back; in fact, the liquor monopoly tried to kill the initiative. 
Indeed, you may be wondering why liquor and wine bottles purchased at LCBO stores must be returned to The Beer Store chain. Alas, the back story behind Bag It Back makes for fascinating reading. Essentially, in a last-ditch attempt to torpedo the deposit/return scheme, the LCBO informed its ministerial masters its stores weren't equipped to handle empties. The LCBO's spin doctors gambled this falsehood would kill the program outright. They were dead wrong. 
Instead, the province enlisted the brewers to run the program. If anything, the LCBO forfeited a golden marketing opportunity. The liquor board could have taken environmentalism upscale by positioning itself as a true environmental champion. Instead, The Beer Store now receives those accolades. 
PLAN B 
Apparently desperate for an environmental win, the LCBO has switched to Plan B: Namely, focus on packaging weight. 
What does the LCBO have to say in defence of its Enviro Sham -- er -- Chic campaign? Not much. Lyle Clark, the LCBO's environmental affairs specialist who solicits environmental feedback via the LCBO's website, refused to comment. 
Bottom line: As domestic wine producers continue to get the shaft at the LCBO -- and after missing the boat on Bag It Back -- the LCBO continues to champion bogus environmental initiatives all in an effort to make it seem as though it's doing something proactive. 
Your tax dollars hard at work yet again, folks
?

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From jiml5 at nexicom.net  Mon May  5 11:15:29 2008
From: jiml5 at nexicom.net (Jim Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:15:29 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] WHite Blend
Message-ID: <003001c8aec2$db54b7f0$a949fea9@Lloyd>

Last year, I made a white blend of approx 20 % Swenson White & 80 % Prairie Star. Crushed and pressed the same day. Bx was around 18 - 20 for the blend. Added sugar and sulphite and yeasted. Fermentation went well, but yielded a very orange cloudy brew. No ML. 

Fining with gelatin dropped the cloudiness and a lot of the colour, but there still remained an orange hue. As well, the wine was bitter. On the nose and in the taste, you can sense the astringency. 

Any ideas on how to further clean this up  ???

Jim
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From terry.rayner at sympatico.ca  Mon May  5 11:44:34 2008
From: terry.rayner at sympatico.ca (Terry Rayner)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 11:44:34 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] WHite Blend
In-Reply-To: <003001c8aec2$db54b7f0$a949fea9@Lloyd>
Message-ID: <BAY133-F36F2D1C1B200D1BEEA38B3E4D70@phx.gbl>

Jim, have you thought about trying a product called Polyact, it's a mixture 
of PVPP and casein.

Terry


>From: "Jim Lloyd" <jiml5 at nexicom.net>
>Reply-To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
>To: "growwine" <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>Subject: [Growwine] WHite Blend
>Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:15:29 -0400
>
>Last year, I made a white blend of approx 20 % Swenson White & 80 % Prairie 
>Star. Crushed and pressed the same day. Bx was around 18 - 20 for the 
>blend. Added sugar and sulphite and yeasted. Fermentation went well, but 
>yielded a very orange cloudy brew. No ML.
>
>Fining with gelatin dropped the cloudiness and a lot of the colour, but 
>there still remained an orange hue. As well, the wine was bitter. On the 
>nose and in the taste, you can sense the astringency.
>
>Any ideas on how to further clean this up  ???
>
>Jim


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From midmp at abacom.com  Mon May  5 12:05:44 2008
From: midmp at abacom.com (midmp@abacom.com)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:05:44 EDT
Subject: [Growwine] DM8521-1
Message-ID: <200805051605.m45G5io04671@corpo.abacom.com>

Hi,

anyone made an '07 ?

this Fall should be a good harvest at Clos Compton (well, off 15 plants). 

Previous reports on the so-so-ness of the wine had made me disappointed about 
my choice, but the recent post about riparias wines AND the incredible status 
of the vines this Spring (high %bud break, spring frost tolerence, etc) has me 
thinking it has to get a good try before being culled for something else.

martin

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From jiml5 at nexicom.net  Mon May  5 12:09:27 2008
From: jiml5 at nexicom.net (Jim Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:09:27 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] WHite Blend
References: <BAY133-F36F2D1C1B200D1BEEA38B3E4D70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004301c8aeca$6537c640$a949fea9@Lloyd>

My next step was going to be Polyclar. Didn't know about Polyact. Casein is 
a good idea though.
Where can one get a small amount of Polyact ? Need enuff ofr 4 cbys

Thanks for the input.

Jim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry Rayner" <terry.rayner at sympatico.ca>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] WHite Blend


> Jim, have you thought about trying a product called Polyact, it's a 
> mixture
> of PVPP and casein.
>
> Terry
>
>
>>From: "Jim Lloyd" <jiml5 at nexicom.net>
>>Reply-To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
>>To: "growwine" <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>>Subject: [Growwine] WHite Blend
>>Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:15:29 -0400
>>
>>Last year, I made a white blend of approx 20 % Swenson White & 80 % 
>>Prairie
>>Star. Crushed and pressed the same day. Bx was around 18 - 20 for the
>>blend. Added sugar and sulphite and yeasted. Fermentation went well, but
>>yielded a very orange cloudy brew. No ML.
>>
>>Fining with gelatin dropped the cloudiness and a lot of the colour, but
>>there still remained an orange hue. As well, the wine was bitter. On the
>>nose and in the taste, you can sense the astringency.
>>
>>Any ideas on how to further clean this up  ???
>>
>>Jim
>
>
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From terry.rayner at sympatico.ca  Mon May  5 13:20:13 2008
From: terry.rayner at sympatico.ca (Terry Rayner)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 13:20:13 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] WHite Blend
In-Reply-To: <004301c8aeca$6537c640$a949fea9@Lloyd>
Message-ID: <BAY133-F402403688DFF523AF38E42E4D70@phx.gbl>

Good question...I know that Scott supplies it and Presque Isle has potassium 
caseinate. You could ask Joe Baker if he knows of anyone buying it for 
resale.

Terry


>From: "Jim Lloyd" <jiml5 at nexicom.net>
>Reply-To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
>To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>Subject: Re: [Growwine] WHite Blend
>Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:09:27 -0400
>
>My next step was going to be Polyclar. Didn't know about Polyact. Casein is
>a good idea though.
>Where can one get a small amount of Polyact ? Need enuff ofr 4 cbys
>
>Thanks for the input.
>
>Jim
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Terry Rayner" <terry.rayner at sympatico.ca>
>To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:44 AM
>Subject: Re: [Growwine] WHite Blend
>
>
> > Jim, have you thought about trying a product called Polyact, it's a
> > mixture
> > of PVPP and casein.
> >
> > Terry
> >
> >
> >>From: "Jim Lloyd" <jiml5 at nexicom.net>
> >>Reply-To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
> >>To: "growwine" <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> >>Subject: [Growwine] WHite Blend
> >>Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:15:29 -0400
> >>
> >>Last year, I made a white blend of approx 20 % Swenson White & 80 %
> >>Prairie
> >>Star. Crushed and pressed the same day. Bx was around 18 - 20 for the
> >>blend. Added sugar and sulphite and yeasted. Fermentation went well, but
> >>yielded a very orange cloudy brew. No ML.
> >>
> >>Fining with gelatin dropped the cloudiness and a lot of the colour, but
> >>there still remained an orange hue. As well, the wine was bitter. On the
> >>nose and in the taste, you can sense the astringency.
> >>
> >>Any ideas on how to further clean this up  ???
> >>
> >>Jim
> >
> >
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From littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca  Tue May  6 06:55:36 2008
From: littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca (Larry Paterson)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 06:55:36 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] DM8521-1
References: <200805051605.m45G5io04671@corpo.abacom.com>
Message-ID: <007501c8af68$e23ae7f0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>

Martin

based on our experience in Peterborough, the more sun you can get on the DM 
8521-1 grapes once they change colour the better.  I thought that they made 
a good minor contribution to the Peterborough blend.

Lardy

Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)

http://www.littlefatwino.com/


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:05 PM
Subject: [Growwine] DM8521-1


Hi,

anyone made an '07 ?

this Fall should be a good harvest at Clos Compton (well, off 15 plants).

Previous reports on the so-so-ness of the wine had made me disappointed 
about
my choice, but the recent post about riparias wines AND the incredible 
status
of the vines this Spring (high %bud break, spring frost tolerence, etc) has 
me
thinking it has to get a good try before being culled for something else.

martin

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From atap1 at midmaine.com  Tue May  6 07:04:40 2008
From: atap1 at midmaine.com (David Varney)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:04:40 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] WHite Blend
In-Reply-To: <BAY133-F402403688DFF523AF38E42E4D70@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY133-F402403688DFF523AF38E42E4D70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48203B48.9050509@midmaine.com>

Jim,

 Last year was my first year at wine making from my vineyard and I made 
a field blend of ES 6-16-30 and St. Pepin. The wine was very cloudy with 
an opaque whitish orange tint to it. I added a bit of Polyclar and put 
it on my porch outside for two weeks at an average of 30F, to cold 
stabilize it. After two weeks it was very close to water clarity and was 
one of the best white wines I have had. Not an expert am I, but friends 
said it was of German in taste.

Dave @ HawkOwl Vineyards

Terry Rayner wrote:
> Good question...I know that Scott supplies it and Presque Isle has potassium 
> caseinate. You could ask Joe Baker if he knows of anyone buying it for 
> resale.
>
> Terry
>
>
>   
>> From: "Jim Lloyd" <jiml5 at nexicom.net>
>> Reply-To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Growwine] WHite Blend
>> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:09:27 -0400
>>
>> My next step was going to be Polyclar. Didn't know about Polyact. Casein is
>> a good idea though.
>> Where can one get a small amount of Polyact ? Need enuff ofr 4 cbys
>>
>> Thanks for the input.
>>
>> Jim
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Terry Rayner" <terry.rayner at sympatico.ca>
>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Growwine] WHite Blend
>>
>>
>>     
>>> Jim, have you thought about trying a product called Polyact, it's a
>>> mixture
>>> of PVPP and casein.
>>>
>>> Terry
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> From: "Jim Lloyd" <jiml5 at nexicom.net>
>>>> Reply-To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
>>>> To: "growwine" <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>>>> Subject: [Growwine] WHite Blend
>>>> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:15:29 -0400
>>>>
>>>> Last year, I made a white blend of approx 20 % Swenson White & 80 %
>>>> Prairie
>>>> Star. Crushed and pressed the same day. Bx was around 18 - 20 for the
>>>> blend. Added sugar and sulphite and yeasted. Fermentation went well, but
>>>> yielded a very orange cloudy brew. No ML.
>>>>
>>>> Fining with gelatin dropped the cloudiness and a lot of the colour, but
>>>> there still remained an orange hue. As well, the wine was bitter. On the
>>>> nose and in the taste, you can sense the astringency.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas on how to further clean this up  ???
>>>>
>>>> Jim
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From jiml5 at nexicom.net  Tue May  6 09:11:47 2008
From: jiml5 at nexicom.net (Jim Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:11:47 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] WHite Blend
References: <BAY133-F402403688DFF523AF38E42E4D70@phx.gbl>
	<48203B48.9050509@midmaine.com>
Message-ID: <002901c8af7a$bdf3edd0$a949fea9@Lloyd>

Thanks Dave,

I had anticipated that using Polyclar (PVPP) would be my next move, but I 
thought it judicious to use the wealth of talent here before I proceded. 
Several people including yourself have suggested Polyclar.

Thanks again

Jim 


From ryan at darksleep.com  Tue May  6 15:56:57 2008
From: ryan at darksleep.com (Ryan Daum)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:56:57 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] DM8521-1
In-Reply-To: <007501c8af68$e23ae7f0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>
References: <200805051605.m45G5io04671@corpo.abacom.com>
	<007501c8af68$e23ae7f0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>
Message-ID: <20080506195657.GB29999@darksleep.com>

How does the quality of DM 8521-1 compare to, say, Baco Noir?

Ryan

On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 06:55:36AM -0400, Larry Paterson wrote:
> Martin
> 
> based on our experience in Peterborough, the more sun you can get on the DM 
> 8521-1 grapes once they change colour the better.  I thought that they made 
> a good minor contribution to the Peterborough blend.
> 
> Lardy
> 
> Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
> (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)
> 
> http://www.littlefatwino.com/
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <midmp at abacom.com>
> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:05 PM
> Subject: [Growwine] DM8521-1
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> anyone made an '07 ?
> 
> this Fall should be a good harvest at Clos Compton (well, off 15 plants).
> 
> Previous reports on the so-so-ness of the wine had made me disappointed 
> about
> my choice, but the recent post about riparias wines AND the incredible 
> status
> of the vines this Spring (high %bud break, spring frost tolerence, etc) has 
> me
> thinking it has to get a good try before being culled for something else.
> 
> martin
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From sebastienmailloux at cgocable.ca  Tue May  6 16:03:44 2008
From: sebastienmailloux at cgocable.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien_Mailloux?=)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:03:44 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] DM8521-1
References: <200805051605.m45G5io04671@corpo.abacom.com><007501c8af68$e23ae7f0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>
	<20080506195657.GB29999@darksleep.com>
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Very similar but with more herbaceous on the nose.

S?b

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ryan Daum" <ryan at darksleep.com>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] DM8521-1


> How does the quality of DM 8521-1 compare to, say, Baco Noir?
>
> Ryan
>
> On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 06:55:36AM -0400, Larry Paterson wrote:
>> Martin
>>
>> based on our experience in Peterborough, the more sun you can get on the 
>> DM
>> 8521-1 grapes once they change colour the better.  I thought that they 
>> made
>> a good minor contribution to the Peterborough blend.
>>
>> Lardy
>>
>> Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
>> (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)
>>
>> http://www.littlefatwino.com/
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <midmp at abacom.com>
>> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:05 PM
>> Subject: [Growwine] DM8521-1
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> anyone made an '07 ?
>>
>> this Fall should be a good harvest at Clos Compton (well, off 15 plants).
>>
>> Previous reports on the so-so-ness of the wine had made me disappointed
>> about
>> my choice, but the recent post about riparias wines AND the incredible
>> status
>> of the vines this Spring (high %bud break, spring frost tolerence, etc) 
>> has
>> me
>> thinking it has to get a good try before being culled for something else.
>>
>> martin
>>
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From littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca  Tue May  6 16:15:49 2008
From: littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca (Larry Paterson)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:15:49 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] DM8521-1
References: <200805051605.m45G5io04671@corpo.abacom.com><007501c8af68$e23ae7f0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>
	<20080506195657.GB29999@darksleep.com>
Message-ID: <004501c8afb6$01c670b0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>

Ryan:

To me it seems more acidic, just about as herbaceous, but sugar levels are 
distinctly higher and it ripens with far fewer heat units.

What is the experience of anyone else in other regions?

Lardy

Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ryan Daum" <ryan at darksleep.com>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] DM8521-1


How does the quality of DM 8521-1 compare to, say, Baco Noir?

Ryan

On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 06:55:36AM -0400, Larry Paterson wrote:
> Martin
>
> based on our experience in Peterborough, the more sun you can get on the 
> DM
> 8521-1 grapes once they change colour the better.  I thought that they 
> made
> a good minor contribution to the Peterborough blend.
>
> Lardy
>
> Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
> (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)
>
> http://www.littlefatwino.com/
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <midmp at abacom.com>
> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:05 PM
> Subject: [Growwine] DM8521-1
>
>
> Hi,
>
> anyone made an '07 ?
>
> this Fall should be a good harvest at Clos Compton (well, off 15 plants).
>
> Previous reports on the so-so-ness of the wine had made me disappointed
> about
> my choice, but the recent post about riparias wines AND the incredible
> status
> of the vines this Spring (high %bud break, spring frost tolerence, etc) 
> has
> me
> thinking it has to get a good try before being culled for something else.
>
> martin
>
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From littlefatwino at trytel.net  Wed May  7 09:26:27 2008
From: littlefatwino at trytel.net (Larry Paterson)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 09:26:27 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] Coffin Ridge
Message-ID: <001201c8b047$41fcc3f0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>

New winery exceeds expectations
Posted By Darling, Shari
Posted 3 hours ago
Due to the increase in viticulture and winemaking in Canada, we are lucky to 
have many wineries opening up around our province. In the wine industry 
these areas are called the "outer limits," meaning located outside the 
Vintner Quality Alliance's designated wine regions of the Niagara Peninsula, 
Lake Erie North Shore, Pelee Island and Prince Edward County.

Many of these grape fermenting gems produce quality grape and fruit wines, 
and are worth visiting this summer.

I recently toured Coffin Ridge Vineyard and Winery (www.coffinridge.ca) in 
Grey County, Owen Sound, (519-371-9851).

This boutique winery opens its doors on June 1 for tourists and wine lovers. 
It's a stunning vineyard with the structure built in a clean, sleek and 
simple style. With large bay windows and an outside patio overlooking 
rolling vineyards and the crystal blues of Georgian Bay, Coffin Ridge is a 
fabulous spot to stop for lunch and a glass of wine.

Here you can savour an array of homemade artisan breads, the recipes 
specifically developed to pair with the Coffin Ridge wines, along with 
locally produced cheeses. And let's not forget the opportunity to enjoy a 
glass of wine in the sun.

The winery is situated on the side of a small valley or ridge called Coffin 
Ridge. Locals claim that the ridge obtained its name over 100 years ago. 
Apparently, a person was being buried on the ridge. The pallbearers dropped 
the coffin and the corpse rolled down the ridge. The ridge then acquired its 
name, Coffin Ridge.

My expectations are rather low when it comes to sampling products from new 
wineries. It often takes a year or two before a winemaker finds his/her own 
style. However, I was pleasantly surprised by winemaker Terry Rayner's 
identifiable style. The quality level of his wines exceeded my expectations.

Owner and surgeon Neil Lamont believed the terroir of Grey County could 
produce decent wines. He planted his grapes a decade ago on the property. He 
was right.

As I've said in the past, I'm a huge fan of the geizenheim grape. The 2007 
Coffin Ridge geizenheim, $16.95, is outstanding, offering juicy pink 
grapefruit and floral aromas. The palate offers full-bodied, sweet 
grapefruit flavours, good acidity, a refreshing sprits and a long, lingering 
finish.

Coffin Ridge 2007 geizenheim is the ideal companion for hot and spicy ethnic 
foods. I sampled this white with curried pumpkin and banana soup, along with 
a curried chicken salad sandwich.

Winemaker Rayner produces two interesting rieslings. The 2007 riesling 
sur-lie, $19.95, is bound to win many awards. The wine is fruity and yeasty 
on the nose. The palate offers full body, slight sprits, great acidity, 
complexity, good mid palate structure and a long finish. This is one of the 
most complex and interesting Ontario rieslings I've ever tasted.

Coffin Ridge suss-reserve riesling, $18.95, offers a completely different 
taste profile. This is a typical, yet delicious white with big, juicy kiwi 
and mandarin flavours on the nose and palate.

Rayner has developed a fun and easy drinking red blend called Back From the 
Dead Red, composed of a few hybrid varieties. Back From the Dead possesses a 
nose reminiscent of blackberries. Medium-bodied, the palate is velvety and 
pleasant with flavours of smoke and bacon. This red whispers to you, "find 
me some grilled baby-back ribs." The price of this quaffer will range from 
$15 to $16.

Other reds include a non-oaked baco noir and an oak age baco noir, both 
under $20 and worth trying.

Right now Coffin Ridge produces a limited supply of wines, available at the 
winery, not at the LCBO or through the Internet. I suggest you take a 
weekend afternoon to drive to Georgian Bay.

Shari Darling owns Orgasmic Culinary Creations (www. 
orgasmicculinarycreations.com), producing artisan foods for the wine lover. 
She can be reached at www.sophisticatedwino.com.

Lardy

Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)

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From jstarr at ns.sympatico.ca  Thu May  8 09:27:24 2008
From: jstarr at ns.sympatico.ca (John Starr)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:27:24 -0300
Subject: [Growwine] N.S. Wines
Message-ID: <001201c8b10f$415ba510$1ac1448e@Downstairs>

Sean Wood is a wine writer who has a weekly column in the Halifax Chronicle Herald.  His column today is of interest as it gives some insights into the wine industry in Nova Scotia and a review of some of the non-vinifera wines produced here.He also makes mention of the upcomming Provincial Competition of the NSAWA which is being hosted by our club, the Annapolis Valley Vintners.
    Check out  http://thechronicleherald.ca/ArtsLife/1054453.html
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From littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca  Thu May  8 12:52:09 2008
From: littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca (Larry Paterson)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:52:09 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics
Message-ID: <002a01c8b12c$1de28140$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>

http://ontariowinereview.com/print/owr_newsletter_0082.pdf

from Michael Pinkus

comments?

Lardy

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From ryan at darksleep.com  Thu May  8 13:07:55 2008
From: ryan at darksleep.com (Ryan Daum)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:07:55 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics
In-Reply-To: <002a01c8b12c$1de28140$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>
References: <002a01c8b12c$1de28140$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>
Message-ID: <20080508170755.GA11419@darksleep.com>

That link isn't working for me.

But, if I were to nominate a single wine for the Olympics, I'd use the
following criterion:

1. It should be from B.C. since the games are hosted in Vancouver.
2. It should be something unique, and not be trying to copy/imitate
French or other new world wines.  Let's not be pretentious.
3. It should make a statement, be powerful.
4. It should be a quality wine.

So I'm going to suggest the Quail's Gate Old Vines Foch.  The
unfiltered reserve version I tried some years ago that turned the
inside of my face purple and left crazy lees on the bottom of the
decanter.  That ought to scare the wine critics.  

But instead, I bet you'll see Osoyoos Laroose or something else that
will remind the world that Canada is still an ex-colony trying to
impress the mother country.

Ryan

On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 12:52:09PM -0400, Larry Paterson wrote:
> http://ontariowinereview.com/print/owr_newsletter_0082.pdf
> 
> from Michael Pinkus
> 
> comments?
> 
> Lardy
> 
> Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
> (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)
> 
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From midmp at abacom.com  Thu May  8 13:08:54 2008
From: midmp at abacom.com (midmp@abacom.com)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:08:54 EDT
Subject: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics
Message-ID: <200805081708.m48H8sI06306@corpo.abacom.com>

can't open the link but is that what I saw at a trade show earlier this Spring 
( "cellared in Canada") ?

> http://ontariowinereview.com/print/owr_newsletter_0082.pdf
> 
> from Michael Pinkus
> 
> comments?
> 
> Lardy
> 
> Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
> (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)
> 
> http://www.littlefatwino.com/
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From pabls at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 13:15:40 2008
From: pabls at yahoo.com (Paul Bulas)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:15:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics
Message-ID: <169223.53669.qm@web56811.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

----- Original Message ----
From: Ryan Daum

But instead, I bet you'll see Osoyoos Laroose or something else that
will remind the world that Canada is still an ex-colony trying to
impress the mother country.



Yup, we just can't seem to shake those allusions to the great wines of elsewhere.? All the money's invested in copying wines here that are made - that have earned acclaim - elsewhere, in different climates.? I've often mused, only half-jokingly, that we need to think in terms of "constructive preferentialism" and build our own wine culture, with grape varieties that work in a given terroir - in B.C. those can surely include viniferas, but in the most general sense, I think they need not be limited to them.
Things shouldn't be all about Meritage and Pinot Noir ...


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From ryan at darksleep.com  Thu May  8 13:30:53 2008
From: ryan at darksleep.com (Ryan Daum)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:30:53 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics
In-Reply-To: <20080508170755.GA11419@darksleep.com>
References: <002a01c8b12c$1de28140$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>
	<20080508170755.GA11419@darksleep.com>
Message-ID: <20080508173053.GA14340@darksleep.com>

I see now what Larry was trying to send:

http://ontariowinereview.com/joomla/content/view/254/61/

So it's even worse.  The wine to represent Canada is
Constellation/Vincor, "Cellared In Canada" wine.

How pathetic.

Ryan

On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 01:07:55PM -0400, Ryan Daum wrote:
> That link isn't working for me.
> 
> But, if I were to nominate a single wine for the Olympics, I'd use the
> following criterion:
> 
> 1. It should be from B.C. since the games are hosted in Vancouver.
> 2. It should be something unique, and not be trying to copy/imitate
> French or other new world wines.  Let's not be pretentious.
> 3. It should make a statement, be powerful.
> 4. It should be a quality wine.
> 
> So I'm going to suggest the Quail's Gate Old Vines Foch.  The
> unfiltered reserve version I tried some years ago that turned the
> inside of my face purple and left crazy lees on the bottom of the
> decanter.  That ought to scare the wine critics.  
> 
> But instead, I bet you'll see Osoyoos Laroose or something else that
> will remind the world that Canada is still an ex-colony trying to
> impress the mother country.
> 
> Ryan
> 
> On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 12:52:09PM -0400, Larry Paterson wrote:
> > http://ontariowinereview.com/print/owr_newsletter_0082.pdf
> > 
> > from Michael Pinkus
> > 
> > comments?
> > 
> > Lardy
> > 
> > Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
> > (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)
> > 
> > http://www.littlefatwino.com/
> > 
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From canadavintage at hotmail.com  Thu May  8 12:56:34 2008
From: canadavintage at hotmail.com (CanadaVintage)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:56:34 -0300
Subject: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics
References: <002a01c8b12c$1de28140$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C><20080508170755.GA11419@darksleep.com>
	<20080508173053.GA14340@darksleep.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV1A4A5AC61AF05345FC128A1D00@phx.gbl>

Same deal here in Quebec.  We got undersold by the same crap for Quebec's 
400th anniversary celebration this summer.
Lost an order for 100 cases to a "cellared in Canada" piece of crap wine 
from Vincor who dumped the product into Quebec at $8/bottle.

What is even more to my disbelief is that the sommelier responsible for the 
purchase actually thought he was buying a 100% Canadian wine until I called 
to inform him! They still went ahead with the Vincor gut rot.


VQA fails at so many levels its not even funny anymore!

Anthony Carone
www.caronewines.com




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ryan Daum" <ryan at darksleep.com>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics


>I see now what Larry was trying to send:
>
> http://ontariowinereview.com/joomla/content/view/254/61/
>
> So it's even worse.  The wine to represent Canada is
> Constellation/Vincor, "Cellared In Canada" wine.
>
> How pathetic.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 01:07:55PM -0400, Ryan Daum wrote:
>> That link isn't working for me.
>>
>> But, if I were to nominate a single wine for the Olympics, I'd use the
>> following criterion:
>>
>> 1. It should be from B.C. since the games are hosted in Vancouver.
>> 2. It should be something unique, and not be trying to copy/imitate
>> French or other new world wines.  Let's not be pretentious.
>> 3. It should make a statement, be powerful.
>> 4. It should be a quality wine.
>>
>> So I'm going to suggest the Quail's Gate Old Vines Foch.  The
>> unfiltered reserve version I tried some years ago that turned the
>> inside of my face purple and left crazy lees on the bottom of the
>> decanter.  That ought to scare the wine critics.
>>
>> But instead, I bet you'll see Osoyoos Laroose or something else that
>> will remind the world that Canada is still an ex-colony trying to
>> impress the mother country.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 12:52:09PM -0400, Larry Paterson wrote:
>> > http://ontariowinereview.com/print/owr_newsletter_0082.pdf
>> >
>> > from Michael Pinkus
>> >
>> > comments?
>> >
>> > Lardy
>> >
>> > Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
>> > (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)
>> >
>> > http://www.littlefatwino.com/
>> >
>>
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From littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca  Thu May  8 14:29:17 2008
From: littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca (Larry Paterson)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:29:17 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] Fw: OntarioWineReview Newsletter #82 - What Bad
	Marketing Dreams are Made of
Message-ID: <003801c8b139$6dab3c50$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>

Forwarded for those who couldn't open the link.


Lardy

Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)

http://www.littlefatwino.com/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Michael Pinkus - Grape Guy 
To: mpinkus at customvoicing.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:23 AM
Subject: OntarioWineReview Newsletter #82 - What Bad Marketing Dreams are Made of


Hello Fellow Ontario Wine Lovers .
 
This week I get my proverbial "panties in a bunch" over something we should all be getting passionate about - our Canadian wine identity . the most recent offender is none other than Vincor, who have managed to make a mockery of the wineries of Canada and Canadian "wine".  That's all I'll say here.  For the rest of my rant you'll have to delve into the newsletter.
 
Also in the Newsletter .
The news isn't all bad folks.  For all you Sauv Blanc fans out there, I have a comparative tasting between the four 2006 Sauvignon Blancs being offered at Vineland.  There's also the light-hearted Ask the Grape Guy, as I'm asked the age-old-question:  "Do You Spit or Swallow?"
 
The Rest of the Best .
The On the Road section has reports from 9 events over the past 2 weeks, with more reports on the way over the next few days.  The May 10 Vintage report is ready for your perusal.  The Weekly Wine Notes focus on a couple of very good Pinot Noirs, one from Prince Edward County the other from Niagara.  And continuing my look at whites for summer, this week the focus is on Chardonnay:  oaked, unoaked and musque.
 
So now it's time to sit back and relax while I get my dander up and try to raise your ire in the process.  Enjoy.
 
Click below for a printable PDF version of the newsletter or copy and paste this link into your browser: http://ontariowinereview.com/print/owr_newsletter_0082.pdf
 
To read the newsletter straight from the website and access to all the links within click here: http://ontariowinereview.com/joomla/content/view/254/61/
 
Cheers
Michael Pinkus - Grape Guy
www.ontariowinereview.com 

 
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From littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca  Thu May  8 14:32:09 2008
From: littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca (Larry Paterson)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:32:09 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics
References: <002a01c8b12c$1de28140$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>
	<20080508170755.GA11419@darksleep.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c8b13b$86fc5610$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>

Believe it or not, at least cellared in Canada uses some Canadian grapes 
(most certainly NOT defending this).  Some time back the official wine was 
Lindemans from Australia.   Quality uber al??

seems that EVERYTHING in Canada is for sale.

Lardy

Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)

http://www.littlefatwino.com/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ryan Daum" <ryan at darksleep.com>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics


That link isn't working for me.

But, if I were to nominate a single wine for the Olympics, I'd use the
following criterion:

1. It should be from B.C. since the games are hosted in Vancouver.
2. It should be something unique, and not be trying to copy/imitate
French or other new world wines.  Let's not be pretentious.
3. It should make a statement, be powerful.
4. It should be a quality wine.

So I'm going to suggest the Quail's Gate Old Vines Foch.  The
unfiltered reserve version I tried some years ago that turned the
inside of my face purple and left crazy lees on the bottom of the
decanter.  That ought to scare the wine critics.

But instead, I bet you'll see Osoyoos Laroose or something else that
will remind the world that Canada is still an ex-colony trying to
impress the mother country.

Ryan

On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 12:52:09PM -0400, Larry Paterson wrote:
> http://ontariowinereview.com/print/owr_newsletter_0082.pdf
>
> from Michael Pinkus
>
> comments?
>
> Lardy
>
> Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
> (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)
>
> http://www.littlefatwino.com/
>

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From pabls at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 14:54:06 2008
From: pabls at yahoo.com (Paul Bulas)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 11:54:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics
Message-ID: <462605.23435.qm@web56805.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Question is: what let that happen?? 
I am no economist, and no politician ... just trying to figure out why it's so politically incorrect today to make policy that benefits the home turf?- in this case, the wine scene, but the question is of course much wider.


----- Original Message ----

seems that EVERYTHING in Canada is for sale.

Lardy

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(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)

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From baileyandtrent2 at yahoo.ca  Thu May  8 15:59:06 2008
From: baileyandtrent2 at yahoo.ca (melissa lounsbury)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:59:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics
Message-ID: <994758.45390.qm@web32101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Its like the Offical uniforms for the Olympics are made in China.?? Maurice.



----- Original Message ----
From: CanadaVintage <canadavintage at hotmail.com>
To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 12:56:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics

Same deal here in Quebec.? We got undersold by the same crap for Quebec's 
400th anniversary celebration this summer.
Lost an order for 100 cases to a "cellared in Canada" piece of crap wine 
from Vincor who dumped the product into Quebec at $8/bottle.

What is even more to my disbelief is that the sommelier responsible for the 
purchase actually thought he was buying a 100% Canadian wine until I called 
to inform him! They still went ahead with the Vincor gut rot.


VQA fails at so many levels its not even funny anymore!

Anthony Carone
www.caronewines.com




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ryan Daum" <ryan at darksleep.com>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics


>I see now what Larry was trying to send:
>
> http://ontariowinereview.com/joomla/content/view/254/61/
>
> So it's even worse.? The wine to represent Canada is
> Constellation/Vincor, "Cellared In Canada" wine.
>
> How pathetic.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 01:07:55PM -0400, Ryan Daum wrote:
>> That link isn't working for me.
>>
>> But, if I were to nominate a single wine for the Olympics, I'd use the
>> following criterion:
>>
>> 1. It should be from B.C. since the games are hosted in Vancouver.
>> 2. It should be something unique, and not be trying to copy/imitate
>> French or other new world wines.? Let's not be pretentious.
>> 3. It should make a statement, be powerful.
>> 4. It should be a quality wine.
>>
>> So I'm going to suggest the Quail's Gate Old Vines Foch.? The
>> unfiltered reserve version I tried some years ago that turned the
>> inside of my face purple and left crazy lees on the bottom of the
>> decanter.? That ought to scare the wine critics.
>>
>> But instead, I bet you'll see Osoyoos Laroose or something else that
>> will remind the world that Canada is still an ex-colony trying to
>> impress the mother country.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 12:52:09PM -0400, Larry Paterson wrote:
>> > http://ontariowinereview.com/print/owr_newsletter_0082.pdf
>> >
>> > from Michael Pinkus
>> >
>> > comments?
>> >
>> > Lardy
>> >
>> > Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
>> > (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)
>> >
>> > http://www.littlefatwino.com/
>> >
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
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From baileyandtrent2 at yahoo.ca  Thu May  8 16:07:43 2008
From: baileyandtrent2 at yahoo.ca (melissa lounsbury)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:07:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics
Message-ID: <617695.54093.qm@web32101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Anthony I would be fumming too, when you have a excellent product an they go the other way. Its like they want to spend ten million dollars to fix up harpers house , its all crapp. Maurice.



----- Original Message ----
From: CanadaVintage <canadavintage at hotmail.com>
To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 12:56:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics

Same deal here in Quebec.? We got undersold by the same crap for Quebec's 
400th anniversary celebration this summer.
Lost an order for 100 cases to a "cellared in Canada" piece of crap wine 
from Vincor who dumped the product into Quebec at $8/bottle.

What is even more to my disbelief is that the sommelier responsible for the 
purchase actually thought he was buying a 100% Canadian wine until I called 
to inform him! They still went ahead with the Vincor gut rot.


VQA fails at so many levels its not even funny anymore!

Anthony Carone
www.caronewines.com




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ryan Daum" <ryan at darksleep.com>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics


>I see now what Larry was trying to send:
>
> http://ontariowinereview.com/joomla/content/view/254/61/
>
> So it's even worse.? The wine to represent Canada is
> Constellation/Vincor, "Cellared In Canada" wine.
>
> How pathetic.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 01:07:55PM -0400, Ryan Daum wrote:
>> That link isn't working for me.
>>
>> But, if I were to nominate a single wine for the Olympics, I'd use the
>> following criterion:
>>
>> 1. It should be from B.C. since the games are hosted in Vancouver.
>> 2. It should be something unique, and not be trying to copy/imitate
>> French or other new world wines.? Let's not be pretentious.
>> 3. It should make a statement, be powerful.
>> 4. It should be a quality wine.
>>
>> So I'm going to suggest the Quail's Gate Old Vines Foch.? The
>> unfiltered reserve version I tried some years ago that turned the
>> inside of my face purple and left crazy lees on the bottom of the
>> decanter.? That ought to scare the wine critics.
>>
>> But instead, I bet you'll see Osoyoos Laroose or something else that
>> will remind the world that Canada is still an ex-colony trying to
>> impress the mother country.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 12:52:09PM -0400, Larry Paterson wrote:
>> > http://ontariowinereview.com/print/owr_newsletter_0082.pdf
>> >
>> > from Michael Pinkus
>> >
>> > comments?
>> >
>> > Lardy
>> >
>> > Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
>> > (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)
>> >
>> > http://www.littlefatwino.com/
>> >
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
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From neil at coffinridge.ca  Thu May  8 16:31:43 2008
From: neil at coffinridge.ca (Neil)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 16:31:43 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics
In-Reply-To: <617695.54093.qm@web32101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <617695.54093.qm@web32101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <87C1989D500E25418F6F3C8A0AEF60F003D39D5B@hosted4.myexchange.ad>

It is not Harper's house, he is only a tenant. We are the landlords and
it sounds as though we have been a little stingy on proper repairs for
OUR historic building. Let's not be "Canadian" and cheap and let our
equivalent of 10 Downing St ie 24 Sussex Dr fall into disrepair. That
would be too much like having "cellared in Canada" Olympic wine. If we
were to neglect these properties then we deserve cellared in Canada
wine.

 

Neil

 

________________________________

From: growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com
[mailto:growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com] On Behalf Of melissa
lounsbury
Sent: May 8, 2008 16:08
To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
Subject: Re: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics

 

Anthony I would be fumming too, when you have a excellent product an
they go the other way. Its like they want to spend ten million dollars
to fix up harpers house , its all crapp. Maurice. 

 

----- Original Message ----
From: CanadaVintage <canadavintage at hotmail.com>
To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 12:56:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics

Same deal here in Quebec.  We got undersold by the same crap for
Quebec's 
400th anniversary celebration this summer.
Lost an order for 100 cases to a "cellared in Canada" piece of crap wine

from Vincor who dumped the product into Quebec at $8/bottle.

What is even more to my disbelief is that the sommelier responsible for
the 
purchase actually thought he was buying a 100% Canadian wine until I
called 
to inform him! They still went ahead with the Vincor gut rot.


VQA fails at so many levels its not even funny anymore!

Anthony Carone
www.caronewines.com <http://www.caronewines.com/> 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ryan Daum" <ryan at darksleep.com>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics


>I see now what Larry was trying to send:
>
> http://ontariowinereview.com/joomla/content/view/254/61/
>
> So it's even worse.  The wine to represent Canada is
> Constellation/Vincor, "Cellared In Canada" wine.
>
> How pathetic.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 01:07:55PM -0400, Ryan Daum wrote:
>> That link isn't working for me.
>>
>> But, if I were to nominate a single wine for the Olympics, I'd use
the
>> following criterion:
>>
>> 1. It should be from B.C. since the games are hosted in Vancouver.
>> 2. It should be something unique, and not be trying to copy/imitate
>> French or other new world wines.  Let's not be pretentious.
>> 3. It should make a statement, be powerful.
>> 4. It should be a quality wine.
>>
>> So I'm going to suggest the Quail's Gate Old Vines Foch.  The
>> unfiltered reserve version I tried some years ago that turned the
>> inside of my face purple and left crazy lees on the bottom of the
>> decanter.  That ought to scare the wine critics.
>>
>> But instead, I bet you'll see Osoyoos Laroose or something else that
>> will remind the world that Canada is still an ex-colony trying to
>> impress the mother country.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 12:52:09PM -0400, Larry Paterson wrote:
>> > http://ontariowinereview.com/print/owr_newsletter_0082.pdf
>> >
>> > from Michael Pinkus
>> >
>> > comments?
>> >
>> > Lardy
>> >
>> > Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
>> > (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels
Critic)
>> >
>> > http://www.littlefatwino.com/
>> >
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Growwine mailing list
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From baileyandtrent2 at yahoo.ca  Thu May  8 21:11:29 2008
From: baileyandtrent2 at yahoo.ca (melissa lounsbury)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 18:11:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics
Message-ID: <372768.70032.qm@web32104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Maybe so Neil, but that is not what?the mass majority say.



----- Original Message ----
From: Neil <neil at coffinridge.ca>
To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 4:31:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics


It is not Harper?s house, he is only a tenant. We are the landlords and it sounds as though we have been a little stingy on proper repairs for OUR historic building. Let?s not be ?Canadian? and cheap and let our equivalent of 10 Downing St ie 24 Sussex Dr fall into disrepair. That would be too much like having ?cellared in Canada ? Olympic wine. If we were to neglect these properties then we deserve cellared in Canada wine.
?
Neil
?

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From:growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com [mailto:growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com] On Behalf Of melissa lounsbury
Sent: May 8, 2008 16:08
To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
Subject: Re: [Growwine] A wine for Canada 's 2010 Olympics
?
Anthony I would be fumming too, when you have a excellent product an they go the other way. Its like they want to spend ten million dollars to fix up harpers house , its all crapp. Maurice. 
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----- Original Message ----
From: CanadaVintage < canadavintage at hotmail.com >
To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 12:56:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] A wine for Canada 's 2010 Olympics

Same deal here in Quebec .? We got undersold by the same crap for Quebec 's 
400th anniversary celebration this summer.
Lost an order for 100 cases to a "cellared in Canada " piece of crap wine 
from Vincor who dumped the product into Quebec at $8/bottle.

What is even more to my disbelief is that the sommelier responsible for the 
purchase actually thought he was buying a 100% Canadian wine until I called 
to inform him! They still went ahead with the Vincor gut rot.


VQA fails at so many levels its not even funny anymore!

Anthony Carone
www.caronewines.com




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ryan Daum" <ryan at darksleep.com>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Growwine] A wine for Canada 's 2010 Olympics


>I see now what Larry was trying to send:
>
> http://ontariowinereview.com/joomla/content/view/254/61/
>
> So it's even worse.? The wine to represent Canada is
> Constellation/Vincor, "Cellared In Canada" wine.
>
> How pathetic.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 01:07:55PM -0400, Ryan Daum wrote:
>> That link isn't working for me.
>>
>> But, if I were to nominate a single wine for the Olympics, I'd use the
>> following criterion:
>>
>> 1. It should be from B.C. since the games are hosted in Vancouver .
>> 2. It should be something unique, and not be trying to copy/imitate
>> French or other new world wines.? Let's not be pretentious.
>> 3. It should make a statement, be powerful.
>> 4. It should be a quality wine.
>>
>> So I'm going to suggest the Quail's Gate Old Vines Foch.? The
>> unfiltered reserve version I tried some years ago that turned the
>> inside of my face purple and left crazy lees on the bottom of the
>> decanter.? That ought to scare the wine critics.
>>
>> But instead, I bet you'll see Osoyoos Laroose or something else that
>> will remind the world that Canada is still an ex-colony trying to
>> impress the mother country.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 12:52:09PM -0400, Larry Paterson wrote:
>> > http://ontariowinereview.com/print/owr_newsletter_0082.pdf
>> >
>> > from Michael Pinkus
>> >
>> > comments?
>> >
>> > Lardy
>> >
>> > Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
>> > (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)
>> >
>> > http://www.littlefatwino.com/
>> >
>>
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From midmp at abacom.com  Fri May  9 02:07:45 2008
From: midmp at abacom.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Martin_Par=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 22:07:45 -0800
Subject: [Growwine] DM8521-1
In-Reply-To: <007501c8af68$e23ae7f0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>
References: <200805051605.m45G5io04671@corpo.abacom.com>,
	<007501c8af68$e23ae7f0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>
Message-ID: <482379B1.15093.4814A810@midmp.abacom.com>

Thanks for the insignt Larry & others,

was at the 'yard today.  Dm is really hardy.  Every single bud is at 05 stage 
and even stage. Others are more variable some buds at 05, mostly 03.

Game plan is to alter the solids (skin/seed/puklp) / liquid ratio during 
maceration.  DM has plenty of colour anyway. Brix should not be a problem 
from measured I took last Fall.

On 6 May 2008 at 6:55, Larry Paterson wrote:

> Martin
> 
> based on our experience in Peterborough, the more sun you can get on the DM 
> 8521-1 grapes once they change colour the better.  I thought that they made 
> a good minor contribution to the Peterborough blend.
> 
> Lardy
> 
> Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
> (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)
> 
> http://www.littlefatwino.com/
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <midmp at abacom.com>
> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:05 PM
> Subject: [Growwine] DM8521-1
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> anyone made an '07 ?
> 
> this Fall should be a good harvest at Clos Compton (well, off 15 plants).
> 
> Previous reports on the so-so-ness of the wine had made me disappointed 
> about
> my choice, but the recent post about riparias wines AND the incredible 
> status
> of the vines this Spring (high %bud break, spring frost tolerence, etc) has 
> me
> thinking it has to get a good try before being culled for something else.
> 
> martin
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From mauro at ridgepointwines.com  Fri May  9 22:17:39 2008
From: mauro at ridgepointwines.com (mauro@ridgepointwines.com)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 22:17:39 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DAV1A4A5AC61AF05345FC128A1D00@phx.gbl>
References: <002a01c8b12c$1de28140$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C><20080508170755.GA11419@darksleep.com>
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Anthony

Can you tell me what VQA has do with cellered in canada



Quoting CanadaVintage <canadavintage at hotmail.com>:

> Same deal here in Quebec.  We got undersold by the same crap for Quebec's
> 400th anniversary celebration this summer. 
> Lost an order for 100 cases to a "cellared in Canada" piece of crap wine
> from Vincor who dumped the product into Quebec at $8/bottle. 
>
> What is even more to my disbelief is that the sommelier responsible for the
> purchase actually thought he was buying a 100% Canadian wine until I called
> to inform him! They still went ahead with the Vincor gut rot. 
>
>
> VQA fails at so many levels its not even funny anymore!
>
> Anthony Carone
> www.caronewines.com
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Daum" <ryan at darksleep.com>
> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Growwine] A wine for Canada's 2010 Olympics
>
>
>> I see now what Larry was trying to send:
>>
>> http://ontariowinereview.com/joomla/content/view/254/61/
>>
>> So it's even worse.  The wine to represent Canada is
>> Constellation/Vincor, "Cellared In Canada" wine. 
>>
>> How pathetic. 
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 01:07:55PM -0400, Ryan Daum wrote:
>>> That link isn't working for me. 
>>>
>>> But, if I were to nominate a single wine for the Olympics, I'd use the
>>> following criterion:
>>>
>>> 1. It should be from B.C. since the games are hosted in Vancouver. 
>>> 2. It should be something unique, and not be trying to copy/imitate
>>> French or other new world wines.  Let's not be pretentious. 
>>> 3. It should make a statement, be powerful. 
>>> 4. It should be a quality wine. 
>>>
>>> So I'm going to suggest the Quail's Gate Old Vines Foch.  The
>>> unfiltered reserve version I tried some years ago that turned the
>>> inside of my face purple and left crazy lees on the bottom of the
>>> decanter.  That ought to scare the wine critics. 
>>>
>>> But instead, I bet you'll see Osoyoos Laroose or something else that
>>> will remind the world that Canada is still an ex-colony trying to
>>> impress the mother country. 
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 12:52:09PM -0400, Larry Paterson wrote:
>>> > http://ontariowinereview.com/print/owr_newsletter_0082.pdf
>>> >
>>> > from Michael Pinkus
>>> >
>>> > comments?
>>> >
>>> > Lardy
>>> >
>>> > Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
>>> > (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)
>>> >
>>> > http://www.littlefatwino.com/
>>> >
>>>
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Vineland, ON
L0R 2C0

From littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca  Sat May 10 07:16:09 2008
From: littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca (Larry Paterson)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 07:16:09 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] Decanter Magazine predictions for 2058
Message-ID: <001001c8b290$fac57b20$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>

http://www.decanter.com:80/news/255843.html       is fascinating, and says little  I haven't been saying for years... this may just mean I'll be as foolish as the authors of this report.  I have not predicted floating vineyards, though I'm really seriously considering hydroponics in my basement this winter, and growing something to make wine would be near the top of that list.  {Also my wife has threatened to divorce me once my cold-hardy vines at the north end of the house reach the roof and I try to trellis them across the peak of my roof!}

For those who don't believe the prediction that China will rival Bordeaux in 50 years please see the results of the series of tastings of Canadian vs Bordeaux reds I've been doing for 15 years in conjunction with our own silent Growwine lurker Hugh Johnstone (no, not the Englishman, our HJ was head of LCBO's wine experts from approximately prohibition until about 1990 or so - I may be out a little on his beginnings).

http://littlefatwino.com/scores.html           look at Jan 23 2007 which was experts-only in the room.  My article from that tasting lists who the experts were.    http://littlefatwino.com/settemezzo.html   Michael Pinkus is now WWCC and Lloyd Evans was the top buyer for LCBO Classics for many years.  

And remember that the first cab sauv in Canada wasn't commercially planted until John Marynissen did so in the very late 70's... just 30 years ago.

Things aren't moving in 30 year periods any more, change is accelerating.  Experts now have trouble identifying which continent a wine came from.  Tony Aspler discussed "Continental Drift" at one Ontario - Bordeaux tasting to describe the way that it was increasingly difficult to tell them apart.

I especially agree with the statement that where it comes from won't matter.  I hate the idea of it all being big brands like cigarettes, but it isn't that much different right now in Ontario, unfortunately, at least at the Government store.  What an environmental footprint, to use current politically correct terminology.  

We need to work NOW to protect a future where it WILL matter where things are grown, and where locally produced will have importance, as will distinct products.  Wine should not be oil.  And does anybody doubt that wine prices in the hands of a small number of huge factories that prices will become usurious?

Lardy

Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)

http://www.littlefatwino.com/

FROM DECANTER MAGAZINE WEBSITE

Oliver Styles

Chinese wine will conquer the world in terms of volume and fine wine, a recent study suggests.

According to the Future of Wine report, drawn up by London-based wine merchants Berry Bros & Rudd (BBR), China, which is already the world's sixth largest producer, will lead the world by the year 2058. 

The report, which predicts the state of world of wine in 50 years, also says China will 'rival the best of Bordeaux'. 

'I absolutely think China will be a fine wine player rivalling the best wines from France,' said Jasper Morris MW. 'It is entirely conceivable that, in such a vast country, there will be pockets of land with a terroir and micro-climate well suited to the production of top quality wines.' 

Based on the opinions of its four Masters of Wine, the report also spelled out some encouraging predictions for lesser-known wine countries and stark warnings for other, bigger producers. 

Climate change, it said, would favour eastern European countries such as Ukraine, Moldova, Croatia, Slovenia and Poland, as well as Canada, which, BBR said, 'could rival its American neighbour' the US. 

The UK also stands to gain on its cross-channel neighbour, with the amount of English land devoted to wine production 'may rival that of France'. 

Australia would be the big loser, it said, with the country too hot and arid to support large areas of vine. 

'It will become a niche producer, concentrating on hand-crafted, terroir-driven, fine wine,' said the report. 

Tasmania, it added, would be one of the beneficiaries. 

By 2058, 'big brand booze' would dominate the market, with wine resembling cigarettes. It will be commonplace, said the report, to ask for 'Lindemans Light' or 'Waitrose White'. 

'In 50 years, consumers will ask for wine by the brand name of flavour and won't know, or care, where it has come from,' said Morris. 'Grapes will be genetically modified to change a wine's taste and producers will add artificial flavourings to create a style wanted by consumers.' 

Further predicted changes included off-shore floating vineyards, low-calorie wines, bulk wine shipping and environmentally-friendly packaging replacing glass bottles. 

Others in the industry were more sceptical of the findings. Decanter editor Guy Woodward was unconvinced. 

'While there's no doubt that climate change and increased ambition in certain regions will lead to a greater variety of wines on the shelves, the idea that China is going to be able to go from churning out large volumes of mediocre plonk to challenging the great names of Bordeaux and Burgundy in a mere 50 years requires a leap of faith,' he said. 'Half a century is a very short time in the overall evolution of the wine world, and I'd like to see how many Chinese and Ukrainian wine Berry Bros has on its shelves in 2058
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From baileyandtrent2 at yahoo.ca  Sat May 10 10:44:36 2008
From: baileyandtrent2 at yahoo.ca (melissa lounsbury)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 07:44:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Growwine] Decanter Magazine predictions for 2058
Message-ID: <129892.71536.qm@web32105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It does work Larry. They have doing this in the Is of ST Vincent.They have a greenhouse in trays of water to grow the vines . As the soil is all volcanic it has a exces of acid. They where?able to get past this but the grapes they where trying to grow could not stand the heat as the leaves where too small.Ours produce leaves up to a foot across an provides a lot of shade. But back to the ones in the greenhouse , they have been doing this for two hundred years but not on a commercial bases.So go ahead an plant? them in a fiberglass sack.? Maurice.



----- Original Message ----
From: Larry Paterson <littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca>
To: Growwine List <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 7:16:09 AM
Subject: [Growwine] Decanter Magazine predictions for 2058


http://www.decanter.com:80/news/255843.html?????? is fascinating, and says?little ?I haven't been saying for years...?this may just mean I'll be as foolish as the authors of this report.? I have not predicted floating vineyards, though I'm really seriously considering hydroponics in my basement this winter, and growing something to make wine would be near the top of that list.? {Also my wife has threatened to divorce me once my cold-hardy vines at the north end of the house reach the roof and I try to trellis them across the peak of my roof!}
?
For those who don't believe the prediction that China will rival Bordeaux in 50 years please see the results of the series of tastings of Canadian vs Bordeaux reds I've been doing for 15 years in conjunction with our own silent Growwine lurker Hugh Johnstone (no, not the Englishman, our HJ was head of LCBO's wine experts from approximately prohibition until about 1990 or so - I may be out a little on his beginnings).
?
http://littlefatwino.com/scores.html?????????? look at Jan 23 2007 which was experts-only in the room.? My article from that tasting lists who the experts were.??? http://littlefatwino.com/settemezzo.html?? Michael Pinkus is now WWCC and Lloyd Evans was the top buyer for LCBO Classics for many years.? 
?
And remember that the first cab sauv in Canada wasn't commercially planted until John Marynissen did so in the very late 70's... just 30 years ago.
?
Things aren't moving in 30 year periods any more, change is accelerating.? Experts now have trouble identifying which continent a wine came from.? Tony Aspler discussed "Continental Drift" at one Ontario - Bordeaux tasting to describe the way that it was?increasingly difficult?to tell them apart.
?
I especially agree with the statement that where it comes from won't matter.? I hate the idea of it all being big brands like cigarettes, but it isn't that much different right now in Ontario, unfortunately, at least at the Government store.? What an environmental footprint, to use current politically correct terminology.? 
?
We need to work NOW to protect a future where it WILL matter where things are grown, and where locally produced will have importance, as will distinct products.? Wine should not be oil.? And does anybody doubt that?wine prices?in the hands of a small number of huge factories that prices will become usurious?
?
Lardy
?
Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)
?
http://www.littlefatwino.com/
?
FROM DECANTER MAGAZINE WEBSITE
?
Oliver Styles

Chinese wine will conquer the world in terms of volume and fine wine, a recent study suggests.

According to the Future of Wine report, drawn up by London-based wine merchants Berry Bros & Rudd (BBR), China, which is already the world's sixth largest producer, will lead the world by the year 2058. 

The report, which predicts the state of world of wine in 50 years, also says China will 'rival the best of Bordeaux'. 

'I absolutely think China will be a fine wine player rivalling the best wines from France,' said Jasper Morris MW. 'It is entirely conceivable that, in such a vast country, there will be pockets of land with a terroir and micro-climate well suited to the production of top quality wines.' 

Based on the opinions of its four Masters of Wine, the report also spelled out some encouraging predictions for lesser-known wine countries and stark warnings for other, bigger producers. 

Climate change, it said, would favour eastern European countries such as Ukraine, Moldova, Croatia, Slovenia and Poland, as well as Canada, which, BBR said, 'could rival its American neighbour' the US. 

The UK also stands to gain on its cross-channel neighbour, with the amount of English land devoted to wine production 'may rival that of France'. 

Australia would be the big loser, it said, with the country too hot and arid to support large areas of vine. 

'It will become a niche producer, concentrating on hand-crafted, terroir-driven, fine wine,' said the report. 

Tasmania, it added, would be one of the beneficiaries. 

By 2058, 'big brand booze' would dominate the market, with wine resembling cigarettes. It will be commonplace, said the report, to ask for 'Lindemans Light' or 'Waitrose White'. 

'In 50 years, consumers will ask for wine by the brand name of flavour and won't know, or care, where it has come from,' said Morris. 'Grapes will be genetically modified to change a wine's taste and producers will add artificial flavourings to create a style wanted by consumers.' 

Further predicted changes included off-shore floating vineyards, low-calorie wines, bulk wine shipping and environmentally-friendly packaging replacing glass bottles. 

Others in the industry were more sceptical of the findings. Decanter editor Guy Woodward was unconvinced. 

'While there's no doubt that climate change and increased ambition in certain regions will lead to a greater variety of wines on the shelves, the idea that China is going to be able to go from churning out large volumes of mediocre plonk to challenging the great names of Bordeaux and Burgundy in a mere 50 years requires a leap of faith,' he said. 'Half a century is a very short time in the overall evolution of the wine world, and I'd like to see how many Chinese and Ukrainian wine Berry Bros has on its shelves in 2058


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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 12:44:31 -0400
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Hi everyone!
Do you know any one selling the little pulmipur machine for roundup.  It is a small machine that you hold in your hands with a cover near the soil.   Ian Segger from Vancouver ran out of it.
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From neyvatter at hurontel.on.ca  Tue May 13 15:12:20 2008
From: neyvatter at hurontel.on.ca (Ron Neyvatte)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:12:20 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] Bruce County buds
Message-ID: <4829E814.5090307@hurontel.on.ca>

Hi All
5 miles east of Kincardine
Aurore: Some buds breaking into leaf. <10%
Foch:    >50% buds opening. Some leaves unfolded. Most bud bundles more 
than 1 inch long.
Ron Neyvatte

From fireice772002 at yahoo.ca  Tue May 13 15:16:14 2008
From: fireice772002 at yahoo.ca (James A. Fritz)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:16:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Growwine] fritzbrad@hotmail.com
In-Reply-To: <4829E814.5090307@hurontel.on.ca>
Message-ID: <616240.74161.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey Brad .... this guy should be on your food map ... Bruce County

Ron Neyvatte <neyvatter at hurontel.on.ca> wrote:  Hi All
5 miles east of Kincardine
Aurore: Some buds breaking into leaf. <10%
Foch: >50% buds opening. Some leaves unfolded. Most bud bundles more 
than 1 inch long.
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From jiml5 at nexicom.net  Tue May 13 15:35:28 2008
From: jiml5 at nexicom.net (Jim Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:35:28 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] Equipment
References: <002801c8a40c$728ee7b0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>
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Crusher & press are wanted. Contact Michelle directly at mcarrozzella at rogers.blackberry.com

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From jiml5 at nexicom.net  Tue May 13 17:33:36 2008
From: jiml5 at nexicom.net (Jim Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:33:36 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] Equipment
References: <002801c8a40c$728ee7b0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>
	<003501c8b530$80646560$1521fea9@Lloyd>
Message-ID: <005a01c8b541$013c2640$1521fea9@Lloyd>

My apologies, but my source tells me that address should be  .net   not .com

Thanks
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From scott.dolson at sympatico.ca  Wed May 14 11:54:41 2008
From: scott.dolson at sympatico.ca (Scott Dolson)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:54:41 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] Equipment
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Hi Carl... I left the cheque inside the LCBO bag...put it inside the box 
by the front door.
Thanks
Scott

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>     Crusher & press are wanted. Contact Michelle directly at
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From scott.dolson at sympatico.ca  Wed May 14 12:05:07 2008
From: scott.dolson at sympatico.ca (Scott Dolson)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:05:07 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] Equipment
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so sorry about that...wrong reply.... carry on!!!

Scott Dolson wrote:
> Hi Carl... I left the cheque inside the LCBO bag...put it inside the 
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> Thanks
> Scott
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>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, May 13, 2008 3:35 PM
>>     *Subject:* [Growwine] Equipment
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>>     Crusher & press are wanted. Contact Michelle directly at
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From winemaker at kacaba.com  Wed May 14 12:46:26 2008
From: winemaker at kacaba.com (John Tummon)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:46:26 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] Bio Vine Organic Fertilizer
Message-ID: <003101c8b5e2$0cd87d90$6500a8c0@Winery>

I inherited a quantity of Bio Vine Organic Fertilizer 4-1-1. Has anyone
heard about this product ?The labels were destroyed.

John Tummon,
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From winemaker at kacaba.com  Thu May 15 11:00:18 2008
From: winemaker at kacaba.com (John Tummon)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:00:18 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] Bio Vine Organic Fertilizer
Message-ID: <002a01c8b69c$63d70b10$6500a8c0@Winery>

I sent this out yesterday morning. It didn't appear to go through. Is
Growwine working??

I inherited a quantity of Bio Vine Organic Fertilizer 4-1-1. Has anyone
heard about this product ?The labels were destroyed.

John Tummon,
Winemaker / General Manager,
Kacaba Vineyards,

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From dbriden at magma.ca  Thu May 15 12:28:53 2008
From: dbriden at magma.ca (Doug Briden)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:28:53 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] Bio Vine Organic Fertilizer
Message-ID: <.1210868933@magma.ca>

 

	John, I did see your email yesterday so Growwine seems fine but
unfortunately do not have any knowledge regarding the product. 

	Doug.
 On Thu 15/05/08 11:00 , "John Tummon" winemaker at kacaba.com sent:
	I sent this out yesterday morning. It didn't appear to go through.
Is Growwine working??  

	I inherited a quantity of Bio Vine Organic Fertilizer 4-1-1. Has
anyone heard about this product ?The labels were destroyed. 

	John Tummon, 
 Winemaker / General Manager, 
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From baileyandtrent2 at yahoo.ca  Thu May 15 12:32:37 2008
From: baileyandtrent2 at yahoo.ca (melissa lounsbury)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:32:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Growwine] Bio Vine Organic Fertilizer
Message-ID: <166249.31480.qm@web32105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The ferilizer is produced by SEA BOOST. Tel 1 800 393 5357? Web www.seaboost.ca??? Maurice Lounsbury Katelin Grape Farms INC


----- Original Message ----
From: John Tummon <winemaker at kacaba.com>
To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:00:18 AM
Subject: [Growwine] Bio Vine Organic Fertilizer


I sent this out yesterday morning. It didn't appear to go through. Is Growwine working?? 
I inherited a quantity of Bio Vine Organic Fertilizer 4-1-1. Has anyone heard about this product ?The labels were destroyed.
John Tummon, 
Winemaker / General Manager, 
Kacaba Vineyards, 


      
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From winemaker at kacaba.com  Thu May 15 12:51:17 2008
From: winemaker at kacaba.com (John Tummon)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:51:17 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] Bio Vine Organic Fertilizer
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Message-ID: <005301c8b6ab$e4ff2b50$6500a8c0@Winery>

Thanks. I dont see anything on their webste about it but I have emailed them
for further information
 
John 

  _____  

From: growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com
[mailto:growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com] On Behalf Of melissa lounsbury
Sent: May 15, 2008 12:33 PM
To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
Subject: Re: [Growwine] Bio Vine Organic Fertilizer


The ferilizer is produced by SEA BOOST. Tel 1 800 393 5357  Web
www.seaboost.ca    Maurice Lounsbury Katelin Grape Farms INC


----- Original Message ----
From: John Tummon <winemaker at kacaba.com>
To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:00:18 AM
Subject: [Growwine] Bio Vine Organic Fertilizer



I sent this out yesterday morning. It didn't appear to go through. Is
Growwine working?? 

I inherited a quantity of Bio Vine Organic Fertilizer 4-1-1. Has anyone
heard about this product ?The labels were destroyed.

John Tummon, 
Winemaker / General Manager, 
Kacaba Vineyards, 


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From rono at mindlinktech.com  Thu May 15 17:05:29 2008
From: rono at mindlinktech.com (Ron Olinyk)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:05:29 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] Trellis anchors
In-Reply-To: <003501c8ac8e$612dbca0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>
References: <003501c8ac8e$612dbca0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>
Message-ID: <482CA599.7080101@mindlinktech.com>

I'm putting up my vine trellis this year (finally) and am looking for a 
possible post anchor substitute. The ones I'm thinking of using are the 
std 30"x1/2" rod with loop at one end and metal disk at other -the type 
you have to twist into the ground at an angle. They are a bit pricey (in 
my opinion) -$8 ea. at TSC. And are a bitch to get in the ground if 
there are any rocks in the way. They only had a few in stock so I bought 
them to try out but would really like to know from the list if there are 
other good alternatives. Just a backyard vineyard, 10 40ft rows, 6" 
cedar posts with T-bar support in middle.
Thanks
Ron


From mlwhite at iastate.edu  Thu May 15 17:45:21 2008
From: mlwhite at iastate.edu (White, Michael L [CO CE])
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 16:45:21 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Trellis anchors
In-Reply-To: <482CA599.7080101@mindlinktech.com>
References: <003501c8ac8e$612dbca0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>
	<482CA599.7080101@mindlinktech.com>
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Ron,

    I really doubt if you need any anchors on a 40' long trellis.  I
have seen plenty of these back yard short trellis systems stand straight
without an anchor system on the ends.  Make sure you drive your end
posts at least 3' deep or dig them in at least 4' deep.  If you do end
up using these helix anchors, I would suggest using the smaller 4"
diameter vs the 6" diameter on such a short trellis system. 

 

    Other options.  

 

         a. bury and deadman anchor into the ground and use #9 

            to tie to end post.

         b. drive a separate anchor post in where you helix anchor would
go and tie #9 wire to it.

         c. Build and H-brace system on the ends.  (looks better and
easier to mow around)

 

Suggest you visit these WWW locations for further information, pictures
and ideas:

 

      1. ISU Extension Viticulture, Dr. Paul Domoto's "Constructing a
Vineyard  Trellis" presentation: 

 
http://viticulture.hort.iastate.edu/info/pdf/domototrellis.pdf

      2. "Engineering a Modern Trellis System", Dr. Tom Zabadol,
Michigan State Univ: 

                http://grapes.msu.edu/pdf/cultural/engineerTrellis.pdf 

      3. Grape Trellis How-To's by John Pennoch:
http://viticulture.hort.iastate.edu/info/pdf/trellisinghowto.pdf

      4. "Trellis Systems for Your Vineyard" Univ. of Nebraska Extension

 
http://agronomy.unl.edu/viticulture/trellis_systems_for_your_vineyard.ht
m

      5. "Grape Training Systems" Missouri Extension Service:

 
http://muextension.missouri.edu/xplor/agguides/hort/g06090.htm

      6. "Trellising" Univ. of Kentucky:
http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/Viticulture/Information/Trellising_and%20_tra
ining.htm

 

Good Trellis Information from Commercial Sources:

 

      7. Spec Trellising, Ivyland, PA: http://www.spectrellising.com/

      8. Jim's Supply Company, Bakersfield, CA:
http://www.jimssupply.com/vineyardhome.htm

      9. PVTS Trellis Systems, Napa, CA: http://www.pvts.net/

      10. A & P Trells Systems, Visalia, CA: http://www.aandpag.com/

 

:-)mike white

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com
[mailto:growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com] On Behalf Of Ron Olinyk
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 4:05 PM
To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
Subject: [Growwine] Trellis anchors

 

I'm putting up my vine trellis this year (finally) and am looking for a 

possible post anchor substitute. The ones I'm thinking of using are the 

std 30"x1/2" rod with loop at one end and metal disk at other -the type 

you have to twist into the ground at an angle. They are a bit pricey (in


my opinion) -$8 ea. at TSC. And are a bitch to get in the ground if 

there are any rocks in the way. They only had a few in stock so I bought


them to try out but would really like to know from the list if there are


other good alternatives. Just a backyard vineyard, 10 40ft rows, 6" 

cedar posts with T-bar support in middle.

Thanks

Ron

 

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From lonrom at hevanet.com  Thu May 15 20:38:47 2008
From: lonrom at hevanet.com (Lon J. Rombough)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:38:47 -0700
Subject: [Growwine] Trellis anchors
In-Reply-To: <482CA599.7080101@mindlinktech.com>
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For a row that short, you could go with using 1/2 inch rebar.  A friend 
did his by welding short nipples on the rebar, which fit into the tops 
of pipes used as the posts.  I've built a trellis with rebar "wires" by 
using wooden posts with the rebar driven through holes drilled in the 
posts.  I was trying to create a free-standing trellis and what I have 
seems to work.
-Lon Rombough
Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape Grower, at 
http://www.bunchgrapes.com  Winner of the Garden Writers Association 
"Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003.
For even more grape lessons, go to  http://www.grapeschool.com
For all other things grape,   http://www.vitisearch.com
A video about The Grape Grower : 
http://cookingupastory.com/index.php/2008/04/18/the-grape-grower/
On May 15, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Ron Olinyk wrote:

I'm putting up my vine trellis this year (finally) and am looking for a
possible post anchor substitute. The ones I'm thinking of using are the
std 30"x1/2" rod with loop at one end and metal disk at other -the type
you have to twist into the ground at an angle. They are a bit pricey (in
my opinion) -$8 ea. at TSC. And are a bitch to get in the ground if
there are any rocks in the way. They only had a few in stock so I bought
them to try out but would really like to know from the list if there are
other good alternatives. Just a backyard vineyard, 10 40ft rows, 6"
cedar posts with T-bar support in middle.
Thanks
Ron

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From littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca  Fri May 16 07:18:20 2008
From: littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca (Larry Paterson)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 07:18:20 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] Trellis anchors
References: <003501c8ac8e$612dbca0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>
	<482CA599.7080101@mindlinktech.com>
Message-ID: <006901c8b748$1be797f0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>

Ron

Wait until you find out how much work it is before calling it

"Just a backyard vineyard, 10 40ft rows"

of course there will be the consolation of all that lovely liquid in the 
cellar to console you...

Lardy

Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)

http://www.littlefatwino.com/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Olinyk" <rono at mindlinktech.com>
To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 5:05 PM
Subject: [Growwine] Trellis anchors


I'm putting up my vine trellis this year (finally) and am looking for a
possible post anchor substitute. The ones I'm thinking of using are the
std 30"x1/2" rod with loop at one end and metal disk at other -the type
you have to twist into the ground at an angle. They are a bit pricey (in
my opinion) -$8 ea. at TSC. And are a bitch to get in the ground if
there are any rocks in the way. They only had a few in stock so I bought
them to try out but would really like to know from the list if there are
other good alternatives. Just a backyard vineyard, 10 40ft rows, 6"
cedar posts with T-bar support in middle.
Thanks
Ron

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From steve at posttownwinery.com  Fri May 16 09:45:25 2008
From: steve at posttownwinery.com (Steven B. Patton)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:45:25 -0500
Subject: [Growwine] Medical Article encouraging alcohol consumption
In-Reply-To: <006901c8b748$1be797f0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>
Message-ID: <002c01c8b75b$1ab8ba40$0201a8c0@NewDell>


I ran across the following article in my doctor's office this week.  The
section on wine encourages people to drink 1-2 glasses of wine daily.  

http://tinyurl.com/4hatzq

 
Steven Patton, Patton Family Vineyard, Website: www.PostTownWinery.com 


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From dolores_solutions at yahoo.ca  Fri May 16 10:06:15 2008
From: dolores_solutions at yahoo.ca (Dolores Smith)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 07:06:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Growwine] Medical Article encouraging alcohol consumption
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From rono at mindlinktech.com  Fri May 16 14:27:46 2008
From: rono at mindlinktech.com (Ron Olinyk)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:27:46 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] Trellis anchors
In-Reply-To: <006901c8b748$1be797f0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>
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Yeh Lardy, I've already started 'realizing' some the work (& expense). 
Must keep going though -for the sake of the wine :)


Larry Paterson wrote:
> Ron
>
> Wait until you find out how much work it is before calling it
>
> "Just a backyard vineyard, 10 40ft rows"
>
> of course there will be the consolation of all that lovely liquid in the 
> cellar to console you...
>
> Lardy
>
> Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc
> (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)
>
> http://www.littlefatwino.com/
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Olinyk" <rono at mindlinktech.com>
> To: <growwine at littlefatwino.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 5:05 PM
> Subject: [Growwine] Trellis anchors
>
>
> I'm putting up my vine trellis this year (finally) and am looking for a
> possible post anchor substitute. The ones I'm thinking of using are the
> std 30"x1/2" rod with loop at one end and metal disk at other -the type
> you have to twist into the ground at an angle. They are a bit pricey (in
> my opinion) -$8 ea. at TSC. And are a bitch to get in the ground if
> there are any rocks in the way. They only had a few in stock so I bought
> them to try out but would really like to know from the list if there are
> other good alternatives. Just a backyard vineyard, 10 40ft rows, 6"
> cedar posts with T-bar support in middle.
> Thanks
> Ron
>
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From rono at mindlinktech.com  Fri May 16 14:46:52 2008
From: rono at mindlinktech.com (Ron Olinyk)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:46:52 -0400
Subject: [Growwine] Trellis anchors
In-Reply-To: <ADFE09B14D3F3A408FF655E276E486FC0D44BFFE@buster.exnet.iastate.edu>
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Thanks for the info Michael & Lon. It changed my mind on the trellis 
anchoring system. I was never too crazy about the end of row anchors and 
'trip' wires. So I think I'm going to try the inside brace method as 
shown on pg24 in Lon's book. A steel post anchored against a deadman 
(sounds like something out of a horror movie). I bought steel posts 
already for the center line posts but may go to wood posts there instead 
of buying more t-posts.
I have this idea of using long J-bolts (the kind used to anchor walls to 
concrete floors) for the wire to post interface. They're threaded on one 
end so I can use as a simple turnbuckle for adding and relieving wire 
tension as needed. Anyone see problems with this?
Thanks
Ron

White, Michael L [CO CE] wrote:
>
> Ron,
>
> I really doubt if you need any anchors on a 40' long trellis. I have 
> seen plenty of these back yard short trellis systems stand straight 
> without an anchor system on the ends. Make sure you drive your end 
> posts at least 3' deep or dig them in at least 4' deep. If you do end 
> up using these helix anchors, I would suggest using the smaller 4" 
> diameter vs the 6" diameter on such a short trellis system.
>
> Other options.
>
> a. bury and deadman anchor into the ground and use #9
>
> to tie to end post.
>
> b. drive a separate anchor post in where you helix anchor would go and 
> tie #9 wire to it.
>
> c. Build and H-brace system on the ends. (looks better and easier to 
> mow around)
>
> *Suggest you visit these WWW locations for further information, 
> pictures and ideas:*
>
> 1. ISU Extension Viticulture, Dr. Paul Domoto?s "Constructing a 
> Vineyard Trellis? presentation:
>
> http://viticulture.hort.iastate.edu/info/pdf/domototrellis.pdf
>
> 2. "Engineering a Modern Trellis System", Dr. Tom Zabadol, Michigan 
> State Univ:
>
> http://grapes.msu.edu/pdf/cultural/engineerTrellis.pdf
>
> 3. Grape Trellis How-To's by John Pennoch: 
> http://viticulture.hort.iastate.edu/info/pdf/trellisinghowto.pdf
>
> 4. "Trellis Systems for Your Vineyard" Univ. of Nebraska Extension
>
> http://agronomy.unl.edu/viticulture/trellis_systems_for_your_vineyard.htm
>
> 5. "Grape Training Systems" Missouri Extension Service:
>
> http://muextension.missouri.edu/xplor/agguides/hort/g06090.htm
>
> 6. ?Trellising? Univ. of Kentucky: 
> http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/Viticulture/Information/Trellising_and%20_training.htm
>
> * *
>
> *Good Trellis Information from Commercial Sources:*
>
> 7. Spec Trellising, Ivyland, PA: http://www.spectrellising.com/
>
> 8. Jim's Supply Company, Bakersfield, CA: 
> http://www.jimssupply.com/vineyardhome.htm
>
> 9. PVTS Trellis Systems, Napa, CA: http://www.pvts.net/
>
> 10. A & P Trells Systems, Visalia, CA: http://www.aandpag.com/
>
> Jmike white
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com 
> [mailto:growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com] On Behalf Of Ron Olinyk
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 4:05 PM
> To: growwine at littlefatwino.com
> Subject: [Growwine] Trellis anchors
>
> I'm putting up my vine trellis this year (finally) and am looking for a
>
> possible post anchor substitute. The ones I'm thinking of using are the
>
> std 30"x1/2" rod with loop at one end and metal disk at other -the type
>
> you have to twist into the ground at an angle. They are a bit pricey (in
>
> my opinion) -$8 ea. at TSC. And are a bitch to get in the ground if
>
> there are any rocks in the way. They only had a few in stock so I bought
>
> them to try out but would really like to know from the list if there are
>
> other good alternatives. Just a backyard vineyard, 10 40ft rows, 6"
>
> cedar posts with T-bar support in middle.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ron
>
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