From nicholas.carriere at videotron.ca Mon Sep 1 08:49:34 2008 From: nicholas.carriere at videotron.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Nicholas_Carri=E8re?=) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:49:34 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Signification of Elmer Swenson's grape name References: <001e01c90bb4$d68ec770$6501a8c0@hrdcdrhc.net> Message-ID: <001d01c90c31$2f8c3b60$6501a8c0@hrdcdrhc.net> Thank you guys for the answers! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hart To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [Growwine] Signification of Elmer Swenson's grape name Carl, You are close on Elmer's numbering system. His is a fairly standard system: block - row - position So 6-16-30 means block six, row 16, vine 30 in that row. A couple things to note. Elmer never had an explicit block 1 (when you start you think it will be the only block). So things that have only two numbers separated by a dash, say 15-53 come from block 1. Now occasionally you can find reference to a three numbered ES designation (#-#-#) that starts with the number 1; that is done to confuse you. These actually refer to the block 1 at the Univ. of MN Horticultural Research Center where Elmer worked for a while. These selections came from the crosses done in 1978 & 1979 by Patrick Pierquet - Elmer used a few of these selections in his breeding and got them before they got formal numbers at the U of MN and never changed his designation. Thus, ES 1-9-96 is actually MN 1022, and ES 1-16-126 is MN 1038 and ES 1-7-47 is MN 1047 (Frontenac). Some of his earliest selections were just referred to by seedling numbers; ES 193, ES 414, etc. Things get a little more complicated than that because only blocks 1 (unnamed), 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 were original blocks. Blocks 7 and above were overplants in the original blocks. So block 7 was physically on the same trellis as some of the rows in the earlier rows in block 3 where the seedlings had been removed. The 'block-row-position' system is the easiest for most breeders to use because it carries the most useful meaning. Some breeders (including myself and Cornell) use a 'cross year - cross number - selection within cross' system (ex. NY 73.0136.17 = Noiret; 1973, cross 136, selection 17 within cross) which indirectly carries information about the parentage, and masks information about the selection's location (breeders are almost all a little secretive). Mark Hart On Aug 31, 2008, at 5:18 PM, Chateau Stripmine wrote: Nicholas One answer could be...just a number. Actually Elmer used these numbers to keep track of his breeding efforts. And he did a lot of that. I could send you an entire spreadsheet (an incomplete list). I think this is correct. The first number was the row. The second was the cross. The third was the seedling in the cross. There were also earlier crosses with numbers like ES 193 and ES 15-53 BTW the hyphens are important. ES 1-2-98 and ES 12-9-8 are both possible but different vines. Also ES 193 is not the same as ES 1-9-3 Carl ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com [mailto:growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Carri?re Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:59 PM To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Subject: [Growwine] Signification of Elmer Swenson's grape name It might sound like a stupid question but does anyone knows what the numbers after the "ES" in Elmer Swenson's grape varieties mean (ex. ES 6-16-30)? Thanks Nicholas Carri?re Aylmer, Qu?bec No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1643 - Release Date: 8/30/2008 5:18 PM _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080901/a17e31ba/attachment-0001.html From helbert at idirect.com Mon Sep 1 10:33:29 2008 From: helbert at idirect.com (Burt Dunn) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:33:29 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Swenson White Wine Message-ID: <005001c90c3f$e5f12970$aa9760cf@syspreinstall> Tried Google with no luck My first Swenson White wine. Should grapes be picked at low brix to reduce labrusca? (I do like labrusca!!!) We have many other varieties ready/almost ready for picking. Any suggestion on a blend? Thanks in advance. Bert Bert Dunn Box 352 Schomberg L0G 1T0 zone 4b/5a Think Blending Not Varietals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rob St-Jean From pux at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Sep 2 07:46:38 2008 From: pux at ns.sympatico.ca (David Puxley) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 08:46:38 -0300 Subject: [Growwine] Leon Millot grapes Brix Message-ID: <48BD279E.80103@ns.sympatico.ca> Millot grapes at 15 Brix near Mahone Bay, NS First test. David Puxley From coquine at endirect.qc.ca Tue Sep 2 07:49:08 2008 From: coquine at endirect.qc.ca (Alain Breault) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:49:08 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix References: <005001c90c3f$e5f12970$aa9760cf@syspreinstall> <5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B5B@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca> Message-ID: <8B3D013B6EB5443DB37E4A2E66EBCD2B@alain> Baltica 21 brix ,pick 22 Aug. Skandia 20 pick 22 Aug DM 8521-1 21 pick 1 Sept ES 10-18-30 21 pick 1 Sept Alain Breault St-Paul D'Abbotsford ,Quebec ----- Original Message ----- From: "St-Jean, Rob (ES)" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:11 AM Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > Foch grapes at 17.8 Brix and rising quickly in Cantley Quebec. > > > > Rob St-Jean > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1646 - Release Date: 01/09/2008 18:03 From jomuam at yahoo.com Tue Sep 2 11:12:31 2008 From: jomuam at yahoo.com (andy jones) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix In-Reply-To: <8B3D013B6EB5443DB37E4A2E66EBCD2B@alain> Message-ID: <819209.19558.qm@web52806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Alain....what was the acid on your Baltica?....Andy Jones in Fredericton "But I don't care where the water goes if it doesn't get into the wine"...Noah ...according to G.K.Chesterton --- On Tue, 9/2/08, Alain Breault wrote: > From: Alain Breault > Subject: Re: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > To: growwine at littlefatwino.com > Received: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 8:49 AM > Baltica 21 brix ,pick 22 Aug. > Skandia 20 pick 22 Aug > DM 8521-1 21 pick 1 Sept > ES 10-18-30 21 pick 1 Sept > Alain Breault St-Paul D'Abbotsford ,Quebec > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "St-Jean, Rob (ES)" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:11 AM > Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > > > > Foch grapes at 17.8 Brix and rising quickly in Cantley > Quebec. > > > > > > > > Rob St-Jean > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Growwine mailing list > > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > > > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1646 - Release > Date: 01/09/2008 > 18:03 > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From ryan.daum at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 11:17:32 2008 From: ryan.daum at gmail.com (Ryan) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:17:32 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Publications Message-ID: <5e5a8c000809020817k508f7f07w2c6e95f2b87a48b1@mail.gmail.com> Apart from the "Starting a Winery in Ontario" booklet, are there any other publications that would be useful reading material for someone looking (long, long term plan) to enter the wine business in Ontario? I'm thinking more on the regulatory & business end of things, as I already have plenty of books and info on viticulture, etc. Ryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Neil Coffin Ridge ________________________________ From: growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com [mailto:growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Sent: September 2, 2008 11:18 To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Subject: [Growwine] Publications Apart from the "Starting a Winery in Ontario" booklet, are there any other publications that would be useful reading material for someone looking (long, long term plan) to enter the wine business in Ontario? I'm thinking more on the regulatory & business end of things, as I already have plenty of books and info on viticulture, etc. Ryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080902/9957d564/attachment.html From pabls at yahoo.com Tue Sep 2 12:13:10 2008 From: pabls at yahoo.com (Paul Bulas) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Growwine] Frontenac in Iowa Message-ID: <52136.1416.qm@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> A most enjoyable article. Word needs to get around! Quote: "The Frontenac grapes growing above Flint Creek are capable of bearing a full crop after temperatures as low as minus 33 degrees. It is disease-resistant and a heavy producer of small black berries in a large cluster. And it makes a great wine." http://www.thehawkeye.com/Story/Vineyard-090208 __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca Tue Sep 2 12:05:21 2008 From: littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca (Larry Paterson) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:05:21 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Fw: ZILGA Message-ID: <006f01c90d17$72781110$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C> ----- Original Message ----- From: farm at surfglobal.net To: Larry Paterson Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: ZILGA do any one have wine-making exsperince whit zilga ? Per -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080902/0b03501d/attachment.html From littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca Tue Sep 2 12:13:06 2008 From: littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca (Larry Paterson) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:13:06 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Publications References: <5e5a8c000809020817k508f7f07w2c6e95f2b87a48b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007001c90d17$72997bc0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C> Awfully tempting to recommend any religious book that encourages the power of prayer... More seriously, get involved with small wineries. Join a winemaking club - see Amateur Winemakers of Ontario - visit other growers, talk, talk, talk. Have a word with your local OMAFRA representative (these are the most supportive government employees in Ontario, truly 100% on your side as far as they can go.) Look for information on the OMAFRA website too. Lardy Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic) http://www.littlefatwino.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: [Growwine] Publications Apart from the "Starting a Winery in Ontario" booklet, are there any other publications that would be useful reading material for someone looking (long, long term plan) to enter the wine business in Ontario? I'm thinking more on the regulatory & business end of things, as I already have plenty of books and info on viticulture, etc. Ryan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080902/ab28946f/attachment.html From canadavintage at hotmail.com Tue Sep 2 14:01:29 2008 From: canadavintage at hotmail.com (Canada Vintage) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:01:29 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix In-Reply-To: <8B3D013B6EB5443DB37E4A2E66EBCD2B@alain> References: <005001c90c3f$e5f12970$aa9760cf@syspreinstall> <5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B5B@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca> <8B3D013B6EB5443DB37E4A2E66EBCD2B@alain> Message-ID: so I am not the only one experiencing a rapid increase in ripeness in the last few weeks! Can someone explain how this is possible? We have had next to nothing in sun and yet these grapes seem to have a mind of their own. I guess frequent rain/irrigation does help after all! Anthony Carone (Zone 4b-5a) Canada Vintage - Carone Vineyards, a division of Carone Enterprises ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.CanadaVintage.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From: coquine at endirect.qc.ca > To: growwine at littlefatwino.com > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:49:08 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > > Baltica 21 brix ,pick 22 Aug. > Skandia 20 pick 22 Aug > DM 8521-1 21 pick 1 Sept > ES 10-18-30 21 pick 1 Sept > Alain Breault St-Paul D'Abbotsford ,Quebec > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "St-Jean, Rob (ES)" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:11 AM > Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > > > > Foch grapes at 17.8 Brix and rising quickly in Cantley Quebec. > > > > > > > > Rob St-Jean > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Growwine mailing list > > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1646 - Release Date: 01/09/2008 > 18:03 > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine _________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080902/f97aa699/attachment.html From mike at mlgould.com Tue Sep 2 15:29:34 2008 From: mike at mlgould.com (Mike Gould) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:29:34 -0600 Subject: [Growwine] vitae vinifera In-Reply-To: <002401c90993$3fc16050$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C> References: <002401c90993$3fc16050$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C> Message-ID: <007601c90d32$3d472b50$6901a8c0@MLGLaptop> Can any of you northern growers direct me to any info on growing vitae vinifera in cold climes. I would also be particularly interested in any success and failures anyone may have had in trying to do so. What worked and what didn't. Michael L. Gould Cell 605.390.8888 email mike at mlgould.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080902/530daea2/attachment.html From smelchis at maine.rr.com Tue Sep 2 19:05:36 2008 From: smelchis at maine.rr.com (Steve Melchiskey) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:05:36 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix In-Reply-To: References: <005001c90c3f$e5f12970$aa9760cf@syspreinstall> <5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B5B@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca> <8B3D013B6EB5443DB37E4A2E66EBCD2B@alain> Message-ID: I'm chiming in here with Anthony.....August, for us, brought 4 inches of rain more than normal, the first three weeks we had 65F temperatures as highs, and no sun, The first August day over 80F wasn't until mid-late August and only 3 days for the MONTH over 80F. Bad, bad bad for organic fungicides, like pureeing $10 bills and spraying them in the vineyard.....but for me, this may be the best Brix I've ever had at this point in the season. Many summers have been way better weather but no verasion at all at this point in the season. We are in full verasion now, with Brix from 10 to 17 and still a month+ to go. very, very weird.... steve maine coast vineyards On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Canada Vintage wrote: > so I am not the only one experiencing a rapid increase in ripeness > in the last few weeks! > Can someone explain how this is possible? We have had next to > nothing in sun and yet these grapes seem to have a mind of their own. > > I guess frequent rain/irrigation does help after all! > > > Anthony Carone (Zone 4b-5a) > Canada Vintage - Carone Vineyards, a division of Carone Enterprises > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > www.CanadaVintage.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > From: coquine at endirect.qc.ca > > To: growwine at littlefatwino.com > > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:49:08 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > > > > Baltica 21 brix ,pick 22 Aug. > > Skandia 20 pick 22 Aug > > DM 8521-1 21 pick 1 Sept > > ES 10-18-30 21 pick 1 Sept > > Alain Breault St-Paul D'Abbotsford ,Quebec > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "St-Jean, Rob (ES)" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:11 AM > > Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > > > > > > > Foch grapes at 17.8 Brix and rising quickly in Cantley Quebec. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob St-Jean > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Growwine mailing list > > > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > > > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1646 - Release Date: > 01/09/2008 > > 18:03 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Growwine mailing list > > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > Upgrade to Hotmail Plus and share more photos with bigger > attachments. 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What did not work ---- KERNER was much to late ripening / I dug it all out. Cheers Peter Salonius Zone 4b in central New Brunswick====================================================== From: mike at mlgould.comTo: growwine at littlefatwino.comDate: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:29:34 -0600Subject: [Growwine] vitae vinifera Can any of you northern growers direct me to any info on growing vitae vinifera in cold climes. I would also be particularly interested in any success and failures anyone may have had in trying to do so. What worked and what didn?t. Michael L. Gould Cell 605.390.8888 email mike at mlgould.com _________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080902/8b0219f1/attachment.html From helbert at idirect.com Tue Sep 2 20:38:01 2008 From: helbert at idirect.com (Burt Dunn) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:38:01 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Vitis vinifera- Gould References: <002401c90993$3fc16050$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C><007601c90d32$3d472b50$6901a8c0@MLGLaptop> Message-ID: <006201c90d5e$3777e120$9c9760cf@syspreinstall> I have grown Ortega for 10 + years with no winter protection of any kind. Have had -32C and -29C in the last 5 years The best growth was after the winter with -32'C How come?? Mind you, I only get enough grapes to taste 'em. Cheers Bert Dunn Box 352 Schomberg L0G 1T0 zone 4b/5a Think Blending Not Varietals ----- Original Message ----- From: peter salonius To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:23 PM Subject: [Growwine] Vitis vinifera- Gould Mike It fascinates me when people insist on growing vinifera and have no apparent interest in excellent hybrids that are generally more cold hardy ---- however ---- IF I PROTECT MY VINIFERA AGAINST THE POSSIBILITY OF -35 C temperatures that can ocurr after a mid winter thaw has removed all of the snow cover --- I can grow and ripen such VINIFERA crosses as: Schoenburger Wuerzer Riechensteiner Ortega Madeline Angevine Zefir Siegerrebe Perle of Csaba Frueburgunder Agria Dornfelder and Zweigelt ---the latter two are late ripening enough that I get sweet fruit only in the best years when the Growing Degree Days total more than 1000. --see my list at http://www.littlefatwino.com/peterslist.html ?? What did not work ---- KERNER was much to late ripening / I dug it all out. Cheers Peter Salonius Zone 4b in central New Brunswick ====================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: mike at mlgould.com To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:29:34 -0600 Subject: [Growwine] vitae vinifera Can any of you northern growers direct me to any info on growing vitae vinifera in cold climes. I would also be particularly interested in any success and failures anyone may have had in trying to do so. What worked and what didn?t. Michael L. Gould Cell 605.390.8888 email mike at mlgould.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080902/a0eed1ed/attachment.html From rono at mindlinktech.com Tue Sep 2 21:00:57 2008 From: rono at mindlinktech.com (Ron Olinyk) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:00:57 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix In-Reply-To: <5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B5B@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca> References: <005001c90c3f$e5f12970$aa9760cf@syspreinstall> <5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B5B@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca> Message-ID: <48BDE1C9.5060102@mindlinktech.com> Rob: 17.8 brix? That's a pretty accurate reading! in SW Ontario (near London) St Pepin & Foch @ ~19 Geisenheim @ ~17 between me and the wasps there may not be much left for wine tho...:) Ron O St-Jean, Rob (ES) wrote: > Foch grapes at 17.8 Brix and rising quickly in Cantley Quebec. > > > > Rob St-Jean > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > From mike at mlgould.com Tue Sep 2 21:30:48 2008 From: mike at mlgould.com (Mike Gould) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:30:48 -0600 Subject: [Growwine] Vitis vinifera- Gould In-Reply-To: <006201c90d5e$3777e120$9c9760cf@syspreinstall> References: <002401c90993$3fc16050$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C><007601c90d32$3d472b50$6901a8c0@MLGLaptop> <006201c90d5e$3777e120$9c9760cf@syspreinstall> Message-ID: <00e201c90d64$b222b700$6901a8c0@MLGLaptop> Thanks for the feed back. All the best, Michael L. Gould Cell 605.390.8888 email mike at mlgould.com The email communication may contain CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION WHICH ALSO MAY BE LEGALLY PRIVILEGED and is intended only for the use of the intended recipients identified above. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized review, use, dissemination, distribution, downloading, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by reply email, delete the communication and destroy all copies. _____ From: growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com [mailto:growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com] On Behalf Of Burt Dunn Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 6:38 PM To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Subject: Re: [Growwine] Vitis vinifera- Gould I have grown Ortega for 10 + years with no winter protection of any kind. Have had -32C and -29C in the last 5 years The best growth was after the winter with -32'C How come?? Mind you, I only get enough grapes to taste 'em. Cheers Bert Dunn Box 352 Schomberg L0G 1T0 zone 4b/5a Think Blending Not Varietals ----- Original Message ----- From: peter salonius To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:23 PM Subject: [Growwine] Vitis vinifera- Gould Mike It fascinates me when people insist on growing vinifera and have no apparent interest in excellent hybrids that are generally more cold hardy ---- however ---- IF I PROTECT MY VINIFERA AGAINST THE POSSIBILITY OF -35 C temperatures that can ocurr after a mid winter thaw has removed all of the snow cover --- I can grow and ripen such VINIFERA crosses as: Schoenburger Wuerzer Riechensteiner Ortega Madeline Angevine Zefir Siegerrebe Perle of Csaba Frueburgunder Agria Dornfelder and Zweigelt ---the latter two are late ripening enough that I get sweet fruit only in the best years when the Growing Degree Days total more than 1000. --see my list at http://www.littlefatwino.com/peterslist.html ?? What did not work ---- KERNER was much to late ripening / I dug it all out. Cheers Peter Salonius Zone 4b in central New Brunswick ====================================================== _____ From: mike at mlgould.com To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:29:34 -0600 Subject: [Growwine] vitae vinifera Can any of you northern growers direct me to any info on growing vitae vinifera in cold climes. I would also be particularly interested in any success and failures anyone may have had in trying to do so. What worked and what didn't. Michael L. Gould Cell 605.390.8888 email mike at mlgould.com _____ _____ _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080902/6dba6ded/attachment-0001.html From pabls at yahoo.com Tue Sep 2 21:58:28 2008 From: pabls at yahoo.com (Paul Bulas) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Growwine] Grapes and/or new wineries in the Kitchener-Waterloo area? Message-ID: <515313.50650.qm@web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Just an open question to anyone on the list who may know: Are there any vineyards or new wineries in the works in the Kitchener-Waterloo area?? Given that the surrounding regions are known for?their agricultural activity, I'm wondering if any spots are being tested as new ground for the new-generation hardier hybrids. How about labrusca: does anyone out that way grow labrusca grapes (Concord, etc) just?for sale to the general public? Thanks in advance. __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From midmp at abacom.com Wed Sep 3 02:30:46 2008 From: midmp at abacom.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Martin_Par=E9?=) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:30:46 -0800 Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix In-Reply-To: References: <005001c90c3f$e5f12970$aa9760cf@syspreinstall>, , Message-ID: <48BDBE96.23366.1EB2F1A6@midmp.abacom.com> Hi, My theory is we see the opposite of 2001 or 2002, which was pretty dry after veraison. vinifera kept pushing sugars, riparia-influenced hybrids stalled, suffering of the dry spell. I remember sabrevois just doin' nothing until we got later in september. Riparia means rivergrape. Likely riparias and derivatives just really like moist soils(like riverbanks) and in nature, those riparia grow up trees, often in partial shade, don't they ? Also, maybe you guys' vines are just getting older, more buffered against weather swings. Would have been fun to have a vinifera around to compared ( Regent only set a couple, smallish bunch). Don't know about amuriensis natural environnemnt. Anyway, too tired to pull out my plant physiology textbook. As for numbers, In Compton, eastern Townships of Quebec, on Aug 31st, at my small 150 vines yard Normal crop load: Brianna: 13.8 B ( neglected. should have been hedged, leafpulled, positionned) Radisson 11.2 B (idem. also uneven v?raison. ugly ugly ugly) DM8521-1: 19.2 B (in 2007: 21.6 B with a very light crop on Sept 6th) Very light crop: Louise 14 Prairie 14.4 10-18-30 17.4 Somerset 16.2 Fairly clean with several copper sprays except for quite a bit of anthranose in Brianna and some rotbrenner in Radisson. Also localized treehopper damage. As for DM I think it just really like low training ( got the fruiting wire at 14 inches). now I just need to tame wine out of the beast martin On 2 Sep 2008 at 19:05, Steve Melchiskey wrote: > > I'm chiming in here with Anthony.....August, for us, brought 4 inches of rain more than normal, the > first three weeks we had 65F temperatures as highs, and no sun, The first August day over 80F > wasn't until mid-late August and only 3 days for the MONTH over 80F. Bad, bad bad for organic > fungicides, like pureeing $10 bills and spraying them in the vineyard.....but for me, this may be the > best Brix I've ever had at this point in the season. Many summers have been way better weather > but no verasion at all at this point in the season. We are in full verasion now, with Brix from 10 to > 17 and still a month+ to go. very, very weird.... steve > maine coast vineyards > On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Canada Vintage wrote: > > so I am not the only one experiencing a rapid increase in ripeness in the last > few weeks! > Can someone explain how this is possible? We have had next to nothing in > sun and yet these grapes seem to have a mind of their own. > > I guess frequent rain/irrigation does help after all! > > > Anthony Carone (Zone 4b-5a) > Canada Vintage - Carone Vineyards, a division of Carone Enterprises > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > www.CanadaVintage.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > From: coquine at endirect.qc.ca > > To: growwine at littlefatwino.com > > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:49:08 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > > > > Baltica 21 brix ,pick 22 Aug. > > Skandia 20 pick 22 Aug > > DM 8521-1 21 pick 1 Sept > > ES 10-18-30 21 pick 1 Sept > > Alain Breault St-Paul D'Abbotsford ,Quebec > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "St-Jean, Rob (ES)" > > To: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080902/db7ea075/attachment.html From ryan.daum at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 22:58:42 2008 From: ryan.daum at gmail.com (Ryan) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 22:58:42 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix In-Reply-To: <48BDBE96.23366.1EB2F1A6@midmp.abacom.com> References: <005001c90c3f$e5f12970$aa9760cf@syspreinstall> <48BDBE96.23366.1EB2F1A6@midmp.abacom.com> Message-ID: <5e5a8c000809021958l1d1093dfkae1c7dba088a1406@mail.gmail.com> It is interesting, maybe there's something to your theory, as I've noticed that the riparia around has definitely been earlier this year. I saw shoots on vines growing in the dunes at Sandbanks Park in PEC that were well past veraison and were already black and ripening on the August 8th. Some of the riparia around Toronto are already getting picked clean by the birds. That said, apparently wild vinifera likes riverbanks and estuaries, etc. too, so I dunno. Ryan On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Martin Par? wrote: > Hi, > > My theory is we see the opposite of 2001 or 2002, which was pretty dry > after veraison. vinifera kept pushing sugars, riparia-influenced hybrids > stalled, suffering of the dry spell. I remember sabrevois just doin' > nothing until we got later in september. > > Riparia means rivergrape. Likely riparias and derivatives just really > like moist soils(like riverbanks) and in nature, those riparia grow up > trees, often in partial shade, don't they ? Also, maybe you guys' vines > are just getting older, more buffered against weather swings. > > Would have been fun to have a vinifera around to compared ( Regent only > set a couple, smallish bunch). Don't know about amuriensis natural > environnemnt. Anyway, too tired to pull out my plant physiology textbook. > > As for numbers, In Compton, eastern Townships of Quebec, on Aug 31st, > at my small 150 vines yard > > Normal crop load: > Brianna: 13.8 B ( neglected. should have been hedged, leafpulled, > positionned) > Radisson 11.2 B (idem. also uneven v?raison. ugly ugly ugly) > DM8521-1: 19.2 B (in 2007: 21.6 B with a very light crop on Sept 6th) > > Very light crop: > Louise 14 > Prairie 14.4 > 10-18-30 17.4 > Somerset 16.2 > > Fairly clean with several copper sprays except for quite a bit of > anthranose in Brianna and some rotbrenner in Radisson. Also localized > treehopper damage. > > As for DM I think it just really like low training ( got the fruiting > wire at 14 inches). now I just need to tame wine out of the beast > > martin > > > > On 2 Sep 2008 at 19:05, Steve Melchiskey wrote: > > > > > I'm chiming in here with Anthony.....August, for us, brought 4 inches > of rain more than normal, the > > first three weeks we had 65F temperatures as highs, and no sun, The > first August day over 80F > > wasn't until mid-late August and only 3 days for the MONTH over 80F. > Bad, bad bad for organic > > fungicides, like pureeing $10 bills and spraying them in the > vineyard.....but for me, this may be the > > best Brix I've ever had at this point in the season. Many summers have > been way better weather > > but no verasion at all at this point in the season. We are in full > verasion now, with Brix from 10 to > > 17 and still a month+ to go. very, very weird.... steve > > maine coast vineyards > > On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Canada Vintage wrote: > > > > so I am not the only one experiencing a rapid increase in ripeness > in the last > > few weeks! > > Can someone explain how this is possible? We have had next to > nothing in > > sun and yet these grapes seem to have a mind of their own. > > > > I guess frequent rain/irrigation does help after all! > > > > > > Anthony Carone (Zone 4b-5a) > > Canada Vintage - Carone Vineyards, a division of Carone > Enterprises > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > www.CanadaVintage.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > From: coquine at endirect.qc.ca > > > To: growwine at littlefatwino.com > > > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:49:08 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > > > > > > Baltica 21 brix ,pick 22 Aug. > > > Skandia 20 pick 22 Aug > > > DM 8521-1 21 pick 1 Sept > > > ES 10-18-30 21 pick 1 Sept > > > Alain Breault St-Paul D'Abbotsford ,Quebec > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "St-Jean, Rob (ES)" > > > To: > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just an open question to anyone on the list who may know: Are there any vineyards or new wineries in the works in the Kitchener-Waterloo area? Given that the surrounding regions are known for their agricultural activity, I'm wondering if any spots are being tested as new ground for the new-generation hardier hybrids. How about labrusca: does anyone out that way grow labrusca grapes (Concord, etc) just for sale to the general public? Thanks in advance. __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine From RStJean at NRCan.gc.ca Wed Sep 3 07:10:47 2008 From: RStJean at NRCan.gc.ca (St-Jean, Rob (ES)) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:10:47 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix In-Reply-To: <48BDE1C9.5060102@mindlinktech.com> References: <005001c90c3f$e5f12970$aa9760cf@syspreinstall> <5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B5B@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca> <48BDE1C9.5060102@mindlinktech.com> Message-ID: <5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B6A@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca> I'm using an electronic refractometer. Cheers, Rob -----Original Message----- From: growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com [mailto:growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com] On Behalf Of Ron Olinyk Sent: September 2, 2008 9:01 PM To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Subject: Re: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix Rob: 17.8 brix? That's a pretty accurate reading! in SW Ontario (near London) St Pepin & Foch @ ~19 Geisenheim @ ~17 between me and the wasps there may not be much left for wine tho...:) Ron O St-Jean, Rob (ES) wrote: > Foch grapes at 17.8 Brix and rising quickly in Cantley Quebec. > > > > Rob St-Jean > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine From smelchis at maine.rr.com Wed Sep 3 08:05:20 2008 From: smelchis at maine.rr.com (Steve Melchiskey) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:05:20 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] source for ML culture In-Reply-To: <5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B6A@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca> References: <005001c90c3f$e5f12970$aa9760cf@syspreinstall> <5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B5B@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca> <48BDE1C9.5060102@mindlinktech.com> <5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B6A@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca> Message-ID: I'm looking for a commercial source of ML culture either in US or shippable to the US. Any help would be appreciated. A culture good for our acidities would be also very nice. best, steve maine coast vineyards From vinestovintages at sympatico.ca Wed Sep 3 08:46:54 2008 From: vinestovintages at sympatico.ca (Vinestovintages) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:46:54 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] source for ML culture References: <005001c90c3f$e5f12970$aa9760cf@syspreinstall> <5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B5B@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca><48BDE1C9.5060102@mindlinktech.com><5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B6A@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca> Message-ID: Try "Presque Isle Wine Cellars" in Pennsylvania, number is 1-800-488-7492 Darryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Melchiskey" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 8:05 AM Subject: [Growwine] source for ML culture > > I'm looking for a commercial source of ML culture either in US or > shippable to the US. Any help would be appreciated. A culture good > for our acidities would be also very nice. > best, > steve > maine coast vineyards > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine From canadavintage at hotmail.com Wed Sep 3 08:48:37 2008 From: canadavintage at hotmail.com (Canada Vintage) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:48:37 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Vitis vinifera- Gould In-Reply-To: <006201c90d5e$3777e120$9c9760cf@syspreinstall> References: <002401c90993$3fc16050$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C><007601c90d32$3d472b50$6901a8c0@MLGLaptop> <006201c90d5e$3777e120$9c9760cf@syspreinstall> Message-ID: I also grow Ortega thanks to Bert and we do not protect it. I have made some interesting wines especially a cryo-concentrated dessert wine called ICEBERG. Anthony Carone (Zone 4b-5a)Canada Vintage - Carone Vineyards, a division of Carone Enterprises~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~www.CanadaVintage.com~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: helbert at idirect.comTo: growwine at littlefatwino.comDate: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:38:01 -0400Subject: Re: [Growwine] Vitis vinifera- Gould I have grown Ortega for 10 + years with no winter protection of any kind. Have had -32C and -29C in the last 5 years The best growth was after the winter with -32'C How come?? Mind you, I only get enough grapes to taste 'em. Cheers Bert Dunn Box 352 Schomberg L0G 1T0 zone 4b/5a Think Blending Not Varietals ----- Original Message ----- From: peter salonius To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:23 PM Subject: [Growwine] Vitis vinifera- Gould Mike It fascinates me when people insist on growing vinifera and have no apparent interest in excellent hybrids that are generally more cold hardy ---- however ---- IF I PROTECT MY VINIFERA AGAINST THE POSSIBILITY OF -35 C temperatures that can ocurr after a mid winter thaw has removed all of the snow cover --- I can grow and ripen such VINIFERA crosses as: SchoenburgerWuerzerRiechensteinerOrtegaMadeline AngevineZefirSiegerrebePerle of CsabaFrueburgunderAgriaDornfelder and Zweigelt ---the latter two are late ripening enough that I get sweet fruit only in the best yearswhen the Growing Degree Days total more than 1000. --see my list at http://www.littlefatwino.com/peterslist.html ?? What did not work ---- KERNER was much to late ripening / I dug it all out. Cheers Peter Salonius Zone 4b in central New Brunswick====================================================== From: mike at mlgould.comTo: growwine at littlefatwino.comDate: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:29:34 -0600Subject: [Growwine] vitae vinifera Can any of you northern growers direct me to any info on growing vitae vinifera in cold climes. I would also be particularly interested in any success and failures anyone may have had in trying to do so. What worked and what didn?t. Michael L. Gould Cell 605.390.8888 email mike at mlgould.com _______________________________________________Growwine mailing listGrowwine at littlefatwino.comhttp://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine _________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080903/802d54e5/attachment.html From vspeer at mchsi.com Wed Sep 3 09:12:32 2008 From: vspeer at mchsi.com (Vernon Speer) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:12:32 -0500 Subject: [Growwine] source for ML culture In-Reply-To: References: <005001c90c3f$e5f12970$aa9760cf@syspreinstall> <5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B5B@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca> <48BDE1C9.5060102@mindlinktech.com> <5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B6A@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca> Message-ID: <63BE32E1-ADD4-49E1-A485-996373E57375@mchsi.com> Steve, Try Lallemand, I use their stuff as a hobbyist, I "assume" they do commercial. http://www.lalvinyeast.com/bacteria.asp On Sep 3, 2008, at 7:05 AM, Steve Melchiskey wrote: I'm looking for a commercial source of ML culture either in US or shippable to the US. Any help would be appreciated. A culture good for our acidities would be also very nice. best, steve maine coast vineyards _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine From khoshkiw at sympatico.ca Wed Sep 3 09:16:32 2008 From: khoshkiw at sympatico.ca (Kathryn Hoshkiw-Tombs) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:16:32 +0000 Subject: [Growwine] source for ML culture In-Reply-To: <63BE32E1-ADD4-49E1-A485-996373E57375@mchsi.com> References: <005001c90c3f$e5f12970$aa9760cf@syspreinstall> <5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B5B@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca><48BDE1C9.5060102@mindlinktech.com><5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B6A@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca><63BE32E1-ADD4-49E1-A485-996373E57375@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <1848063224-1220447787-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-755909362-@bxe275.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Yes they do! Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Vernon Speer Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:12:32 To: Subject: Re: [Growwine] source for ML culture Steve, Try Lallemand, I use their stuff as a hobbyist, I "assume" they do commercial. http://www.lalvinyeast.com/bacteria.asp On Sep 3, 2008, at 7:05 AM, Steve Melchiskey wrote: I'm looking for a commercial source of ML culture either in US or shippable to the US. Any help would be appreciated. A culture good for our acidities would be also very nice. best, steve maine coast vineyards _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine From karen.enright at ns.sympatico.ca Wed Sep 3 11:29:51 2008 From: karen.enright at ns.sympatico.ca (Karen Enright) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:29:51 -0300 Subject: [Growwine] Raspberry Wine Message-ID: <48BEAD6F.4090102@ns.sympatico.ca> Does anyone know if there is a specific variety of raspberry that should be used when making raspberry wine? I'd appreciate any info available. Thanks. Karen Enright From harold.tracanelli at bellnet.ca Wed Sep 3 12:04:39 2008 From: harold.tracanelli at bellnet.ca (Harold Tracanelli) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:04:39 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Raspberry Wine In-Reply-To: <48BEAD6F.4090102@ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20080903160452.JYZ5613.tomts27-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip38-bus.srvr.bell.ca> Wednesday September 03rd., 2008 Karen In terms of making and having drank some fantastic tasting Raspberry Wine, please be sure to look up David West at Wardrop Engineering located in Sudbury. Regards, Harold Tracanelli -----Original Message----- From: growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com [mailto:growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com] On Behalf Of Karen Enright Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:30 AM To: Growwine at littlefatwino.com Subject: [Growwine] Raspberry Wine Does anyone know if there is a specific variety of raspberry that should be used when making raspberry wine? I'd appreciate any info available. Thanks. Karen Enright _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine From littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca Wed Sep 3 13:20:26 2008 From: littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca (Larry Paterson) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:20:26 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Raspberry Wine References: <48BEAD6F.4090102@ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <007001c90de9$5e1e87d0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C> Hi Karen Red raspberry is the standard variety that I've been using, but it has strong acidity. the Purple (Royalty) raspberries can be very good as well. Black raspberries tend to be very hard to get early juice extraction (they are almost chitinous) and Gold raspberries can be wonderful but have a tendency to mustiness. If looking for a source of frozen contact Andrews Scenic Acres in Milton. Consider adding a bit of chocolate extract to some if you are making a sweet style! Lardy Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic) http://www.littlefatwino.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Enright" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: [Growwine] Raspberry Wine Does anyone know if there is a specific variety of raspberry that should be used when making raspberry wine? I'd appreciate any info available. Thanks. Karen Enright _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine From karen.enright at ns.sympatico.ca Wed Sep 3 13:27:30 2008 From: karen.enright at ns.sympatico.ca (Karen Enright) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:27:30 -0300 Subject: [Growwine] Raspberry Wine In-Reply-To: <007001c90de9$5e1e87d0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C> References: <48BEAD6F.4090102@ns.sympatico.ca> <007001c90de9$5e1e87d0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C> Message-ID: <48BEC902.3010409@ns.sympatico.ca> Thanks for the info Larry! I'm in NS so am looking for a source here for convenience but thanks for the referral. We're really looking forward into trying the raspberry and are also going to try blueberry this year as well. Ummm ...... chocolate! Karen Larry Paterson wrote: > Hi Karen > > Red raspberry is the standard variety that I've been using, but it has > strong acidity. the Purple (Royalty) raspberries can be very good as well. > Black raspberries tend to be very hard to get early juice extraction (they > are almost chitinous) and Gold raspberries can be wonderful but have a > tendency to mustiness. > > If looking for a source of frozen contact Andrews Scenic Acres in Milton. > > Consider adding a bit of chocolate extract to some if you are making a sweet > style! > > > Lardy > > Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc > (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic) > > http://www.littlefatwino.com/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Enright" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:29 AM > Subject: [Growwine] Raspberry Wine > > > Does anyone know if there is a specific variety of raspberry that should > be used when making raspberry wine? > > I'd appreciate any info available. > > Thanks. > > > > Karen Enright > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > > From rono at mindlinktech.com Wed Sep 3 13:58:56 2008 From: rono at mindlinktech.com (Ron Olinyk) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:58:56 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Raspberry Wine In-Reply-To: <48BEC902.3010409@ns.sympatico.ca> References: <48BEAD6F.4090102@ns.sympatico.ca> <007001c90de9$5e1e87d0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C> <48BEC902.3010409@ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <48BED060.1040903@mindlinktech.com> Royalty are my favorite as well -very raspberry. Not sure about other places but seems a bad year for raspberries so could be hard to find. Lardy is the expert on chocolate raspberry wine -hope to try it sometime! Ron O Karen Enright wrote: > Thanks for the info Larry! > > I'm in NS so am looking for a source here for convenience but thanks for > the referral. > > We're really looking forward into trying the raspberry and are also > going to try blueberry this year as well. > > Ummm ...... chocolate! > > > Karen > > > > Larry Paterson wrote: > >> Hi Karen >> >> Red raspberry is the standard variety that I've been using, but it has >> strong acidity. the Purple (Royalty) raspberries can be very good as well. >> Black raspberries tend to be very hard to get early juice extraction (they >> are almost chitinous) and Gold raspberries can be wonderful but have a >> tendency to mustiness. >> >> If looking for a source of frozen contact Andrews Scenic Acres in Milton. >> >> Consider adding a bit of chocolate extract to some if you are making a sweet >> style! >> >> >> Lardy >> >> Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc >> (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic) >> >> http://www.littlefatwino.com/ >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karen Enright" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:29 AM >> Subject: [Growwine] Raspberry Wine >> >> >> Does anyone know if there is a specific variety of raspberry that should >> be used when making raspberry wine? >> >> I'd appreciate any info available. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> Karen Enright >> _______________________________________________ >> Growwine mailing list >> Growwine at littlefatwino.com >> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Growwine mailing list >> Growwine at littlefatwino.com >> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > From khoshkiw at sympatico.ca Wed Sep 3 14:15:01 2008 From: khoshkiw at sympatico.ca (Kathryn Hoshkiw-Tombs) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:15:01 +0000 Subject: [Growwine] Raspberry Wine In-Reply-To: <48BED060.1040903@mindlinktech.com> References: <48BEAD6F.4090102@ns.sympatico.ca> <007001c90de9$5e1e87d0$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C><48BEC902.3010409@ns.sympatico.ca><48BED060.1040903@mindlinktech.com> Message-ID: <578721843-1220465702-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-226221131-@bxe275.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> It's been a bad year for raspberries mainly due to the wet weather and the outbreaks of disease, such as cane blight, spur blight, botryis and possible phytophera. I used kilarney and prelude before and made a wonderful wine out of them. Barrie Hill Farms(Barrie, Ontario) and Park's Blueberries (Bothwell, Ontario) are two growers that I know of. Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Ron Olinyk Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:58:56 To: Subject: Re: [Growwine] Raspberry Wine Royalty are my favorite as well -very raspberry. Not sure about other places but seems a bad year for raspberries so could be hard to find. Lardy is the expert on chocolate raspberry wine -hope to try it sometime! Ron O Karen Enright wrote: > Thanks for the info Larry! > > I'm in NS so am looking for a source here for convenience but thanks for > the referral. > > We're really looking forward into trying the raspberry and are also > going to try blueberry this year as well. > > Ummm ...... chocolate! > > > Karen > > > > Larry Paterson wrote: > >> Hi Karen >> >> Red raspberry is the standard variety that I've been using, but it has >> strong acidity. the Purple (Royalty) raspberries can be very good as well. >> Black raspberries tend to be very hard to get early juice extraction (they >> are almost chitinous) and Gold raspberries can be wonderful but have a >> tendency to mustiness. >> >> If looking for a source of frozen contact Andrews Scenic Acres in Milton. >> >> Consider adding a bit of chocolate extract to some if you are making a sweet >> style! >> >> >> Lardy >> >> Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc >> (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic) >> >> http://www.littlefatwino.com/ >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karen Enright" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:29 AM >> Subject: [Growwine] Raspberry Wine >> >> >> Does anyone know if there is a specific variety of raspberry that should >> be used when making raspberry wine? >> >> I'd appreciate any info available. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> Karen Enright >> _______________________________________________ >> Growwine mailing list >> Growwine at littlefatwino.com >> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Growwine mailing list >> Growwine at littlefatwino.com >> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine From helbert at idirect.com Wed Sep 3 14:06:17 2008 From: helbert at idirect.com (Burt Dunn) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:06:17 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] unrooted cuttings wanted Message-ID: <000301c90e01$fa29a840$3839fdcf@syspreinstall> Looking for 120 St. Pepin unrooted cuttings and 120 Cliche unrooted cuttings for mid Feb. please reply off line giving cost (Expresspost to be also paid by recipient) Cheers Bert Bert Dunn Box 352 Schomberg L0G 1T0 zone 4b/5a Think Blending Not Varietals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am on sandy soil, so maybe that helped Jim From dolores_solutions at yahoo.ca Wed Sep 3 19:06:02 2008 From: dolores_solutions at yahoo.ca (Dolores Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Growwine] Brix measurements In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <219170.42441.qm@web56201.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In Erin (between Guelph, Mississauga and Orangeville: ? readings today, Wednesday Sept 3 ? DM? ranging from 18.6 to 21 Sab 13 Fron --- On Tue, 9/2/08, Steve Melchiskey wrote: From: Steve Melchiskey Subject: Re: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Received: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 7:05 PM I'm chiming in here with Anthony.....August, for us, brought 4 inches of rain more than normal, the first three weeks we had 65F temperatures as highs, and no sun, The first August day over 80F wasn't until mid-late August and only 3 days for the MONTH over 80F. Bad, bad bad for organic fungicides, like pureeing $10 bills and spraying them in the vineyard.....but for me, this may be the best Brix I've ever had at this point in the season. Many summers have been way better weather but no verasion at all at this point in the season. We are in full verasion now, with Brix from 10 to 17 and still a month+ to go. very, very weird.... steve maine coast vineyards On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Canada Vintage wrote: so I am not the only one experiencing a rapid increase in ripeness in the last few weeks! Can someone explain how this is possible? We have had next to nothing in sun and yet these grapes seem to have a mind of their own. I guess frequent rain/irrigation does help after all! Anthony Carone (Zone 4b-5a) Canada Vintage - Carone Vineyards, a division of Carone Enterprises ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.CanadaVintage.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From: coquine at endirect.qc.ca > To: growwine at littlefatwino.com > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:49:08 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > > Baltica 21 brix ,pick 22 Aug. > Skandia 20 pick 22 Aug > DM 8521-1 21 pick 1 Sept > ES 10-18-30 21 pick 1 Sept > Alain Breault St-Paul D'Abbotsford ,Quebec > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "St-Jean, Rob (ES)" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:11 AM > Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > > > > Foch grapes at 17.8 Brix and rising quickly in Cantley Quebec. > > > > > > > > Rob St-Jean > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Growwine mailing list > > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1646 - Release Date: 01/09/2008 > 18:03 > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine Upgrade to Hotmail Plus and share more photos with bigger attachments. 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Bad, bad bad for organic fungicides, like pureeing $10 bills and spraying them in the vineyard.....but for me, this may be the best Brix I've ever had at this point in the season. Many summers have been way better weather but no verasion at all at this point in the season. We are in full verasion now, with Brix from 10 to 17 and still a month+ to go. very, very weird.... steve maine coast vineyards On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Canada Vintage wrote: so I am not the only one experiencing a rapid increase in ripeness in the last few weeks! Can someone explain how this is possible? We have had next to nothing in sun and yet these grapes seem to have a mind of their own. I guess frequent rain/irrigation does help after all! Anthony Carone (Zone 4b-5a) Canada Vintage - Carone Vineyards, a division of Carone Enterprises ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.CanadaVintage.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From: coquine at endirect.qc.ca > To: growwine at littlefatwino.com > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:49:08 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > > Baltica 21 brix ,pick 22 Aug. > Skandia 20 pick 22 Aug > DM 8521-1 21 pick 1 Sept > ES 10-18-30 21 pick 1 Sept > Alain Breault St-Paul D'Abbotsford ,Quebec > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "St-Jean, Rob (ES)" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:11 AM > Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > > > > Foch grapes at 17.8 Brix and rising quickly in Cantley Quebec. > > > > > > > > Rob St-Jean > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Growwine mailing list > > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1646 - Release Date: 01/09/2008 > 18:03 > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine Upgrade to Hotmail Plus and share more photos with bigger attachments. 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Bad, bad bad for organic fungicides, like pureeing $10 bills and spraying them in the vineyard.....but for me, this may be the best Brix I've ever had at this point in the season. Many summers have been way better weather but no verasion at all at this point in the season. We are in full verasion now, with Brix from 10 to 17 and still a month+ to go. very, very weird.... steve maine coast vineyards On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Canada Vintage wrote: so I am not the only one experiencing a rapid increase in ripeness in the last few weeks! Can someone explain how this is possible? We have had next to nothing in sun and yet these grapes seem to have a mind of their own. I guess frequent rain/irrigation does help after all! Anthony Carone (Zone 4b-5a) Canada Vintage - Carone Vineyards, a division of Carone Enterprises ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.CanadaVintage.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From: coquine at endirect.qc.ca > To: growwine at littlefatwino.com > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:49:08 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > > Baltica 21 brix ,pick 22 Aug. > Skandia 20 pick 22 Aug > DM 8521-1 21 pick 1 Sept > ES 10-18-30 21 pick 1 Sept > Alain Breault St-Paul D'Abbotsford ,Quebec > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "St-Jean, Rob (ES)" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:11 AM > Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > > > > Foch grapes at 17.8 Brix and rising quickly in Cantley Quebec. > > > > > > > > Rob St-Jean > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Growwine mailing list > > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1646 - Release Date: 01/09/2008 > 18:03 > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine Upgrade to Hotmail Plus and share more photos with bigger attachments. 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DM? ranging from 18.6 to 21 Sab 13 Fron --- On Tue, 9/2/08, Steve Melchiskey wrote: From: Steve Melchiskey Subject: Re: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Received: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 7:05 PM I'm chiming in here with Anthony.....August, for us, brought 4 inches of rain more than normal, the first three weeks we had 65F temperatures as highs, and no sun, The first August day over 80F wasn't until mid-late August and only 3 days for the MONTH over 80F. Bad, bad bad for organic fungicides, like pureeing $10 bills and spraying them in the vineyard.....but for me, this may be the best Brix I've ever had at this point in the season. Many summers have been way better weather but no verasion at all at this point in the season. We are in full verasion now, with Brix from 10 to 17 and still a month+ to go. very, very weird.... steve maine coast vineyards On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Canada Vintage wrote: so I am not the only one experiencing a rapid increase in ripeness in the last few weeks! Can someone explain how this is possible? We have had next to nothing in sun and yet these grapes seem to have a mind of their own. I guess frequent rain/irrigation does help after all! Anthony Carone (Zone 4b-5a) Canada Vintage - Carone Vineyards, a division of Carone Enterprises ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.CanadaVintage.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From: coquine at endirect.qc.ca > To: growwine at littlefatwino.com > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:49:08 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > > Baltica 21 brix ,pick 22 Aug. > Skandia 20 pick 22 Aug > DM 8521-1 21 pick 1 Sept > ES 10-18-30 21 pick 1 Sept > Alain Breault St-Paul D'Abbotsford ,Quebec > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "St-Jean, Rob (ES)" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:11 AM > Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > > > > Foch grapes at 17.8 Brix and rising quickly in Cantley Quebec. > > > > > > > > Rob St-Jean > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Growwine mailing list > > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1646 - Release Date: 01/09/2008 > 18:03 > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine Upgrade to Hotmail Plus and share more photos with bigger attachments. 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Elayne "Have a grape day." > > From: Karen Enright > Date: 2008/09/03 Wed PM 01:27:30 EDT > To: growwine at littlefatwino.com > Subject: Re: [Growwine] Raspberry Wine > > Thanks for the info Larry! > > I'm in NS so am looking for a source here for convenience but thanks for > the referral. > > We're really looking forward into trying the raspberry and are also > going to try blueberry this year as well. > > Ummm ...... chocolate! > > > Karen > > > > Larry Paterson wrote: > > Hi Karen > > > > Red raspberry is the standard variety that I've been using, but it has > > strong acidity. the Purple (Royalty) raspberries can be very good as well. > > Black raspberries tend to be very hard to get early juice extraction (they > > are almost chitinous) and Gold raspberries can be wonderful but have a > > tendency to mustiness. > > > > If looking for a source of frozen contact Andrews Scenic Acres in Milton. > > > > Consider adding a bit of chocolate extract to some if you are making a sweet > > style! > > > > > > Lardy > > > > Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc > > (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic) > > > > http://www.littlefatwino.com/ > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karen Enright" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:29 AM > > Subject: [Growwine] Raspberry Wine > > > > > > Does anyone know if there is a specific variety of raspberry that should > > be used when making raspberry wine? > > > > I'd appreciate any info available. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Karen Enright > > _______________________________________________ > > Growwine mailing list > > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Growwine mailing list > > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > Elayne "Have a grape day." From vnefv at brant.net Wed Sep 3 20:34:37 2008 From: vnefv at brant.net (Phil Ryan) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:34:37 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] source for ML culture References: <005001c90c3f$e5f12970$aa9760cf@syspreinstall> <5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B5B@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca><48BDE1C9.5060102@mindlinktech.com><5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B6A@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca> Message-ID: <014401c90e26$06bb3cd0$f224cdd1@mycomputer> Hi Steve; I use Scott Labs in Toronto, but they have a parallel operation in California. They have a catalogue on line, and a very nice winemakers handbook. Phil Ryan Simcoe Ont ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Melchiskey" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 8:05 AM Subject: [Growwine] source for ML culture > > I'm looking for a commercial source of ML culture either in US or > shippable to the US. Any help would be appreciated. A culture good > for our acidities would be also very nice. > best, > steve > maine coast vineyards > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1647 - Release Date: 9/2/2008 > 6:02 AM > > From littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca Wed Sep 3 21:53:26 2008 From: littlefatwino1 at cogeco.ca (Larry Paterson) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:53:26 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Eastern Ontario Amateur Wine Competition Message-ID: <004f01c90e31$2bb2bc10$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C> If anyone wishes to enter the Eastern Ontario Amateur Wine Competition please contact me at littlefatwino at trytel.net to see if there are possibilities of getting deliveries to me. I plan to get entries from BobGibbon at Hamilton about Sep 20th, so if any of you South-Coasters or Niagara types want to enter please contact me first. If elsewhere, let me know as soon as you can. Details are online at: http://littlefatwino.com/eoawchomepage.html thanks Lardy Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic) http://www.littlefatwino.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080903/6ccda607/attachment.html From neyvatter at hurontel.on.ca Wed Sep 3 22:25:49 2008 From: neyvatter at hurontel.on.ca (Ron Neyvatte) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:25:49 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix In-Reply-To: <5e5a8c000809021958l1d1093dfkae1c7dba088a1406@mail.gmail.com> References: <005001c90c3f$e5f12970$aa9760cf@syspreinstall> <48BDBE96.23366.1EB2F1A6@midmp.abacom.com> <5e5a8c000809021958l1d1093dfkae1c7dba088a1406@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48BF472D.8090707@hurontel.on.ca> Hi Here in Bruce County ON my Foch are ripening very quickly. My Aurore are also ripening. Both taste sweet (I have no refractometer) but I think I'll hold off picking for a couple of weeks. I'm a little anxious. Maybe change my mind if I see the berries deteriorating. I've covered most of the Foch with netting. The birds don't seem to like the Aurore too much. The vines are about 10 years old. I often get about 100 litres of wine. I think there will be more this year I have pruned some of the Foch vines sharply , done some leafpicking, and left some vines relatively unpruned, but don't notice any difference in ripening rate. Some of my vines are shaded from afternoon sun. They are definitely slower ripening. Ron Neyvatte 1581 Bruce Cty Rd 7 Kincardine ON N2Z 2X5 Ryan wrote: It is interesting, maybe there's something to your theory, as I've noticed that the riparia around has definitely been earlier this year. I saw shoots on vines growing in the dunes at Sandbanks Park in PEC that were well past veraison and were already black and ripening on the August 8th. Some of the riparia around Toronto are already getting picked clean by the birds. > > That said, apparently wild vinifera likes riverbanks and estuaries, > etc. too, so I dunno. > > Ryan > > On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Martin Par? > wrote: > > Hi, > > My theory is we see the opposite of 2001 or 2002, which was pretty > dry after veraison. vinifera kept pushing sugars, > riparia-influenced hybrids stalled, suffering of the dry spell. I > remember sabrevois just doin' nothing until we got later in > september. > > Riparia means rivergrape. Likely riparias and derivatives just > really like moist soils(like riverbanks) and in nature, those > riparia grow up trees, often in partial shade, don't they ? > Also, maybe you guys' vines are just getting older, more buffered > against weather swings. > > Would have been fun to have a vinifera around to compared ( Regent > only set a couple, smallish bunch). Don't know about amuriensis > natural environnemnt. Anyway, too tired to pull out my plant > physiology textbook. > > As for numbers, In Compton, eastern Townships of Quebec, on Aug > 31st, at my small 150 vines yard > > Normal crop load: > Brianna: 13.8 B ( neglected. should have been hedged, leafpulled, > positionned) > Radisson 11.2 B (idem. also uneven v?raison. ugly ugly ugly) > DM8521-1: 19.2 B (in 2007: 21.6 B with a very light crop on Sept 6th) > > Very light crop: > Louise 14 > Prairie 14.4 > 10-18-30 17.4 > Somerset 16.2 > > Fairly clean with several copper sprays except for quite a bit of > anthranose in Brianna and some rotbrenner in Radisson. Also > localized treehopper damage. > > As for DM I think it just really like low training ( got the > fruiting wire at 14 inches). now I just need to tame wine out of > the beast > > martin > > > > On 2 Sep 2008 at 19:05, Steve Melchiskey wrote: > >> >> I'm chiming in here with Anthony.....August, for us, brought 4 > inches of rain more than normal, the >> first three weeks we had 65F temperatures as highs, and no sun, > The first August day over 80F >> wasn't until mid-late August and only 3 days for the MONTH over > 80F. Bad, bad bad for organic >> fungicides, like pureeing $10 bills and spraying them in the > vineyard.....but for me, this may be the >> best Brix I've ever had at this point in the season. Many summers > have been way better weather >> but no verasion at all at this point in the season. We are in > full verasion now, with Brix from 10 to >> 17 and still a month+ to go. very, very weird.... steve >> maine coast vineyards >> On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Canada Vintage wrote: >> >> so I am not the only one experiencing a rapid increase in > ripeness in the last >> few weeks! >> Can someone explain how this is possible? We have had next to > nothing in >> sun and yet these grapes seem to have a mind of their own. >> >> I guess frequent rain/irrigation does help after all! >> >> >> Anthony Carone (Zone 4b-5a) >> Canada Vintage - Carone Vineyards, a division of Carone > Enterprises >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> www.CanadaVintage.com >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> > From: coquine at endirect.qc.ca >> > To: growwine at littlefatwino.com > >> > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:49:08 -0400 >> > Subject: Re: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix >> > >> > Baltica 21 brix ,pick 22 Aug. >> > Skandia 20 pick 22 Aug >> > DM 8521-1 21 pick 1 Sept >> > ES 10-18-30 21 pick 1 Sept >> > Alain Breault St-Paul D'Abbotsford ,Quebec >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "St-Jean, Rob (ES)" > >> > To: > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Growwine mailing list >Growwine at littlefatwino.com >http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > From jiml5 at nexicom.net Thu Sep 4 00:02:27 2008 From: jiml5 at nexicom.net (Jim Lloyd) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:02:27 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] The season Message-ID: <5BE320DC2BD845E899767BB4B5C0C140@Lloyd> I find it a little strange as I drive thru the area........the Hawthornes and some maples and other shrubs are turning color. Going brown or red. They have had good water this summer with little stress, and yet they are shutting down for the season. Autumn is upon us, I guess. My only conclusion is tha the length of the days are telling the plants to shut down. We have had great growing conditions for the last 2 weeks but mother nature seems to be calling them to shut down for the saeson. This is from Ptbo area.........anyone else seeing the same ? Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080904/7dc831ab/attachment.html From gram at flarenet.com Thu Sep 4 07:16:57 2008 From: gram at flarenet.com (Margaret Marshall) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:16:57 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix References: <005001c90c3f$e5f12970$aa9760cf@syspreinstall> <5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B5B@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca> Message-ID: <002101c90e7f$d85e3d60$7c24cdd1@ownerfcf86o9a8> Foch Brix stalled at 16 in southwestern Ontario in spite of a 5 day heat wave. We are two weeks behind here. Ciao, Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "St-Jean, Rob (ES)" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:11 AM Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > Foch grapes at 17.8 Brix and rising quickly in Cantley Quebec. > > > > Rob St-Jean > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > From gram at flarenet.com Thu Sep 4 07:19:29 2008 From: gram at flarenet.com (Margaret Marshall) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:19:29 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix References: <005001c90c3f$e5f12970$aa9760cf@syspreinstall><5C27639FDEA8CE4D8EC1F382903DE5FA03F67B5B@s0-ott-x1.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca> <8B3D013B6EB5443DB37E4A2E66EBCD2B@alain> Message-ID: <002c01c90e80$1f452e00$7c24cdd1@ownerfcf86o9a8> Lucy Kuhlman also stalled at 18. Ciao, Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alain Breault" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > Baltica 21 brix ,pick 22 Aug. > Skandia 20 pick 22 Aug > DM 8521-1 21 pick 1 Sept > ES 10-18-30 21 pick 1 Sept > Alain Breault St-Paul D'Abbotsford ,Quebec > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "St-Jean, Rob (ES)" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:11 AM > Subject: [Growwine] Foch grapes Brix > > >> Foch grapes at 17.8 Brix and rising quickly in Cantley Quebec. >> >> >> >> Rob St-Jean >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Growwine mailing list >> Growwine at littlefatwino.com >> http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1646 - Release Date: > 01/09/2008 > 18:03 > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > From canadavintage at hotmail.com Thu Sep 4 06:31:02 2008 From: canadavintage at hotmail.com (CanadaVintage) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:31:02 -0300 Subject: [Growwine] The season References: <5BE320DC2BD845E899767BB4B5C0C140@Lloyd> Message-ID: Same deal here in the Lanaudiere region. Many trees are demonstrating the shutdown effect. Leaves turning yellow, red and brown, but mainly yellow . It's quite odd. We had 37 C in the vineyard the day before and yesterday the temperature hit almost 38C. It was unbearably hot. The only time I go out is in the mornings and evenings to check the ripening progress. The ground is severly dry and hard. Even the weeds are drying out. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Lloyd To: growwine Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: [Growwine] The season I find it a little strange as I drive thru the area........the Hawthornes and some maples and other shrubs are turning color. Going brown or red. They have had good water this summer with little stress, and yet they are shutting down for the season. Autumn is upon us, I guess. My only conclusion is tha the length of the days are telling the plants to shut down. 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Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "CanadaVintage" Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:31:02 To: Subject: Re: [Growwine] The season _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine From vnefv at brant.net Thu Sep 4 08:14:12 2008 From: vnefv at brant.net (Phil Ryan) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:14:12 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] The season References: <5BE320DC2BD845E899767BB4B5C0C140@Lloyd> <370022877-1220528001-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-920057848-@bxe275.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <016901c90e87$c39670c0$f224cdd1@mycomputer> I have a new angle for discussion. I have experienced varying levels of leaf loss on my vinifera. I am watching new leaf -out occurring. If the shoots are positioned vertically, the growth is at the end. and often poorly covered by sprays. I started tying them down and got leaf re-growth along the length of the shoot. Fruit maturation is completely stalled in the worst cases, and some berries are wrinkling and dropping out of bunches. The optimist in me says - wait another week and decide if you are going to be able to ripen fruit. The pessimist says - cut off all the fruit now and give the vines the best chance to recover for winter. No-one is talking about this kind of problem. There must be a rule of thumb that experienced growers are using. We have our first frost anywhere from Oct 5-15, but I may be able to protect the vines and potentially have a growing season to late October. On the good side, its a year when we can assess the disease resistance of different varieties. In that regard, I am very pleased with Bianca's resistance. (My vines were grafted at Gemmrich nursery using budwood from Euro Nursery in Harrow.) I really need some advice here. Phil Ryan Simcoe Ont ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Hoshkiw-Tombs" To: "Larry Patterson" Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [Growwine] The season > It is not just temperatures but also the amount of diurnal (day time)light > that tells plants when to start changing. > Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: "CanadaVintage" > > Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:31:02 > To: > Subject: Re: [Growwine] The season > > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.15/1649 - Release Date: 9/3/2008 > 7:15 AM > > From dbriden at magma.ca Thu Sep 4 09:39:41 2008 From: dbriden at magma.ca (Doug Briden) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:39:41 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] More Weather Message-ID: <.1220535581@magma.ca> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Here comes Ike already a category 4 hurricane lets hope this guy swings a little north and weakens. We will be dealing with the tail ends of Gustav this weekend and then Hanna just prior to Ike followed by josephine. Hold onto your hats along the east coast. Doug Luskville, QC On Wed 03/09/08 19:31 , Elayne Mott countrymouse at ns.sympatico.ca sent: Karen: Although it is a bit late for getting fresh raspberries, perhaps you could contact Ivan Hebert(ivan at xcountry.tv [1]) in Canning over on the North Mountain....I know that he grows thornless blackberries for certain but not sure about raspberries....he would steer you to the best variety to use for making wine. How are things growing down in your area with all these rain and thunderstorms lately? Up here on the South Mountain we got 18.5 mm of rain in a 2.5 hour peroid this afternoon and it thundered and lightening from early this morning until around 7 P. M. Elayne "Have a grape day." > > From: Karen Enright > Date: 2008/09/03 Wed PM 01:27:30 EDT > To: growwine at littlefatwino.com [3] > Subject: Re: [Growwine] Raspberry Wine > > Thanks for the info Larry! > > I'm in NS so am looking for a source here for convenience but thanks for > the referral. > > We're really looking forward into trying the raspberry and are also > going to try blueberry this year as well. > > Ummm ...... chocolate! > > > Karen > > > > Larry Paterson wrote: > > Hi Karen > > > > Red raspberry is the standard variety that I've been using, but it has > > strong acidity. the Purple (Royalty) raspberries can be very good as well. > > Black raspberries tend to be very hard to get early juice extraction (they > > are almost chitinous) and Gold raspberries can be wonderful but have a > > tendency to mustiness. > > > > If looking for a source of frozen contact Andrews Scenic Acres in Milton. > > > > Consider adding a bit of chocolate extract to some if you are making a sweet > > style! > > > > > > Lardy > > > > Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc > > (Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic) > > > > http://www.littlefatwino.com/ [4] > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karen Enright" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:29 AM > > Subject: [Growwine] Raspberry Wine > > > > > > Does anyone know if there is a specific variety of raspberry that should > > be used when making raspberry wine? > > > > I'd appreciate any info available. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Karen Enright > > _______________________________________________ > > Growwine mailing list > > Growwine at littlefatwino.com [7] > > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine [8] > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Growwine mailing list > > Growwine at littlefatwino.com [9] > > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine [10] > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com [11] > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine [12] > Elayne "Have a grape day." _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com [13] http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine [14] Links: ------ [1] mailto:ivan at xcountry.tv [2] mailto:karen.enright at ns.sympatico.ca [3] mailto:growwine at littlefatwino.com [4] https://webmail.magma.ca/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.littlefatwino.com%2F [5] mailto:karen.enright at ns.sympatico.ca [6] mailto:Growwine at littlefatwino.com [7] mailto:Growwine at littlefatwino.com [8] https://webmail.magma.ca/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Flists.littlefatwino.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fgrowwine [9] mailto:Growwine at littlefatwino.com [10] https://webmail.magma.ca/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Flists.littlefatwino.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fgrowwine [11] mailto:Growwine at littlefatwino.com [12] https://webmail.magma.ca/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Flists.littlefatwino.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fgrowwine [13] mailto:Growwine at littlefatwino.com [14] http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080904/c639723e/attachment-0001.html From baileyandtrent2 at yahoo.ca Thu Sep 4 13:23:30 2008 From: baileyandtrent2 at yahoo.ca (melissa lounsbury) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Growwine] The season Message-ID: <701383.49615.qm@web32105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I see by the weather map in the country guide says no frost until last of october.Warmer then normal in the southern area,maybe your vines are taking another shot a growth.Maurice. ----- Original Message ---- From: Phil Ryan To: khoshkiw at sympatico.ca; growwine at littlefatwino.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 8:14:12 AM Subject: Re: [Growwine] The season I have a new angle for discussion. I have experienced varying levels of leaf loss on my vinifera. I am watching new leaf -out occurring. If the shoots are positioned vertically, the growth is at the end. and often poorly covered by sprays. I started tying them down and got leaf re-growth along the length of the shoot. Fruit maturation is completely stalled in the worst cases, and some berries are wrinkling and dropping out of bunches. The optimist in me says - wait another week and decide if you are going to be able to ripen fruit. The pessimist says - cut off all the fruit now and give the vines the best chance to recover for winter. No-one is talking about this kind of problem. There must be a rule of thumb that experienced growers are using. We have our first frost anywhere from Oct 5-15, but I may be able to protect the vines and potentially have a growing season to late October. On the good side, its a year when we can assess the disease resistance of different varieties. In that regard, I am very pleased with Bianca's resistance. (My vines were grafted at Gemmrich nursery using budwood from Euro Nursery in Harrow.) I really need some advice here. Phil Ryan Simcoe Ont ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Hoshkiw-Tombs" To: "Larry Patterson" Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [Growwine] The season > It is not just temperatures but also the amount of diurnal (day time)light > that tells plants when to start changing. > Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: "CanadaVintage" > > Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:31:02 > To: > Subject: Re: [Growwine] The season > > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.15/1649 - Release Date: 9/3/2008 > 7:15 AM > > _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080904/c27648cf/attachment.html From canadavintage at hotmail.com Fri Sep 5 12:15:12 2008 From: canadavintage at hotmail.com (Canada Vintage) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:15:12 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Cost of shipping OZ wines In-Reply-To: <9A3A9CA4-B99E-416D-BE9F-FC47F9BBC380@maine.rr.com> References: <002c01c8bbac$be840030$c6d1eb18@YOUR382F8BB83C>, <5e5a8c000805220913y628cce01y6e97363ad0de308d@mail.gmail.com>, <20080522150048.fqxobcvl9wc00w00@webmail.reztel.net> <4835F9F4.351.2F1279@midmp.abacom.com> <483AD4B0.5070808@sympatico.ca> <9A3A9CA4-B99E-416D-BE9F-FC47F9BBC380@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: just like to add that I recently found out that the SAQ has been importing bulk OZ wines by the bot-a-load(huge tankers) and bottling here in Quebec. This wine is then sold on SAQ retail outlets as a bottled import. If interested check out the latest bulk wines which are bottled in Quebec. Settlers Cove (australia) "With respect to quality, Maison des Futailles director of marketing Sylvain Laporte asked me: "Whether the wine sits in tanks overseas awaiting bottling or is shipped here, what is the real difference?" One of Quebec's bestselling Australian wines at the SAQ, Settler's Cove, is bottled right here in Quebec. As one of my sources remarked: "Over 30,000 bottles of this wine are sold every year in Quebec. The quality is good; it's just a question of public perception." It used to be that bulk wine bottled in quebec was sold as an inferior product at grocery stores and depanneurs. Not anymore. Anthony Carone (Zone 4b-5a) Canada Vintage - Carone Vineyards, a division of Carone Enterprises ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.CanadaVintage.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: smelchis at maine.rr.com Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 18:56:00 -0400 To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Subject: Re: [Growwine] Cost of shipping OZ wines I import over 100 containers of Aussie wine a year into the US. Ocean Freight is around $3US a case 12/750ml including export formalities and Terminal Handling Charges on the import side. Taxes in the U.S. are between $3.50 to $5.50 per 12/750ml case. So, around $8 or so a 12/750ml case from FOB port Australia to warehouse door US. This is dry container. Reefers almost don't exist and most business is done with 20 foot reefers. You can gain savings with slip sheets on 20 foot containers and 1200 cases to the ceiling of the container, all one item, so costs can come down. I deal mostly with high end Aussie business (great wines, hand made from old vines, so no need to bitch about the dedication of the winegrowers)......best,SteveMaine Coast Vineyards On May 26, 2008, at 11:19 AM, CanadaVintage wrote: Scott, David Hummels conducted such a study. Still not clear whether .20 is an accurate cost. I feel that number (20 cents) may be related to .the actual cost per ton per km travelled (not landed freight and associated costs). http://www.mgmt.purdue.edu/faculty/hummelsd/research/hummels%20jep%20rewrite%20final%20with%20tables.pdf and http://www.mgmt.purdue.edu/faculty/hummelsd/research/decline/declined.pdf ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Dolson To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [Growwine] Cost of shipping OZ wines ... some time ago, having worked as an analyst in various capacities for both Rail and Trucking, and given longterm contract shipping agreements, volume discounts for shipments in excess of 500,000 kg (480,000 bottles)... and given the 10's of millions of bottles shipped from Australia... and given Australian federal government support programs...20 cents a bottle may be probable. It would be interesting to read some formal economic study on the situation. Scott CanadaVintage wrote: A bottle of wine weighs approximately 1 kg. A pallet holding 40 cases of 12 bottles is 500 kg. Are you saying that it would cost $100 bucks to ship a pallet of wine from Australia to North America.? I find that rather cheap. In comparison, last year, we had a few pallets of oak barrels shipped from France to Canada and it cost over 1000 euro. That was for 300 kg. I would think that transport costs are more in the 3-5$ per kg range by ocean and 8-10$ per kg for air shipment. And it's likely that these costs were reflective before the 135$ a barrel for crude oil. Anthony ---- Original Message ----- From: peter salonius To: midmp at abacom.com ; growwine at littlefatwino.com Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 9:10 AM Subject: [Growwine] Cost of shipping OZ wines The last quote I saw (several years ago) was that shipping a bottle of wine from Australia to North America BY OCEAN GOING CONTAINER was about ten cents ($0.10). I expect that this has now increased to twenty cents ($0.20) --PETROLEUM IS STILL PRETTY CHEAP. Peter Salonius ======================================================================== > From: midmp at abacom.com > To: growwine at littlefatwino.com > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 22:55:48 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Growwine] Product of Canada foods - announcement by Canadian PM Harper > > Hi, > > thing is ocean shipment of containers is cheaper than train that is cheaper > than trucking. > > Anyhow, it is a choice in life. I,ve been going pretty much SAQ-free since > that wine outlet opened at the local farmers market. > > As for the feds' plan, see this quebec promotion plan > www.alimentsduquebec.com > > martin > > > On 22 May 2008 at 15:00, defaria at reztel.net wrote: > > > > > With the increasing and absurd fuel prices. - We are going Regionalized! - It will not matter if it > > was "Cellared in Canada", imported or made in Canada. - A European wine will soon cost $30 -40 > > at entry, and a quality European/Aussie wine will only be for the very priviledged.. While the > > Canadian wines will rise in cost, but not as severe. It will be the better option to purchase a > > Canadia wine for all Canadians. > > Duke DeFaria > > PEC > > Quoting Ryan : > > > _______________________________________________ > Growwine mailing list > Growwine at littlefatwino.com > http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine _______________________________________________Growwine mailing listGrowwine at littlefatwino.comhttp://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine _________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080906/d9f2086d/attachment.html From neyvatter at hurontel.on.ca Sat Sep 6 08:52:55 2008 From: neyvatter at hurontel.on.ca (Ron Neyvatte) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:52:55 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] BBC NEWS | Europe | Spanish wine makers fight climate change Message-ID: <48C27D27.8060206@hurontel.on.ca> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7547610.stm From defaria at reztel.net Sat Sep 6 18:34:27 2008 From: defaria at reztel.net (defaria@reztel.net) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:34:27 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Globe n'Mail Wine Article... In-Reply-To: <48C27D27.8060206@hurontel.on.ca> References: <48C27D27.8060206@hurontel.on.ca> Message-ID: <20080906183427.m35cr2r8m8ccsksc@webmail.reztel.net> Another wine article today in the Toronto Globe: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080905.wlwineboom05/BNStory/lifeMain/home Duke DeFaria Defaria Vineyard From baileyandtrent2 at yahoo.ca Sun Sep 7 13:25:47 2008 From: baileyandtrent2 at yahoo.ca (melissa lounsbury) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Growwine] Globe n'Mail Wine Article... Message-ID: <433569.28257.qm@web32108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A very good article.But I guess it takes money to make money,or a very good bank manager. Maurice. ----- Original Message ---- From: "defaria at reztel.net" To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2008 6:34:27 PM Subject: [Growwine] Globe n'Mail Wine Article... Another wine article today in the Toronto Globe: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080905.wlwineboom05/BNStory/lifeMain/home Duke DeFaria Defaria Vineyard _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080907/6ab77ccf/attachment.html From harold.tracanelli at bellnet.ca Sun Sep 7 15:23:00 2008 From: harold.tracanelli at bellnet.ca (Harold Tracanelli) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:23:00 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Globe n'Mail Wine Article... In-Reply-To: <433569.28257.qm@web32108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080907192337.YKYB16651.tomts47-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip37-bus.srvr.bell.ca> Sunday September 07th., 2008 Absolutely, if you do not shoot you never score. Having said that, I never buy lottery tickets, poor mans taxation, and I never complain about not winning. Regards, Harold Tracanelli _____ From: growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com [mailto:growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com] On Behalf Of melissa lounsbury Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:26 PM To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Subject: Re: [Growwine] Globe n'Mail Wine Article... A very good article.But I guess it takes money to make money,or a very good bank manager. Maurice. ----- Original Message ---- From: "defaria at reztel.net" To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2008 6:34:27 PM Subject: [Growwine] Globe n'Mail Wine Article... Another wine article today in the Toronto Globe: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080905.wlwineboom05/BNS tory/lifeMain/home Duke DeFaria Defaria Vineyard _______________________________________________ Growwine mailing list Growwine at littlefatwino.com http://lists.littlefatwino.com/mailman/listinfo/growwine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080907/c61cd8e3/attachment.html From harold.tracanelli at bellnet.ca Sun Sep 7 15:56:22 2008 From: harold.tracanelli at bellnet.ca (Harold Tracanelli) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:56:22 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Sabrevois In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080907195637.FJDX10785.tomts35-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip40-bus.srvr.bell.ca> Sunday September 07th.,2008 Dear Garfield McIntosh I had heard tell that someone had started up a vineyard on the Island recently. I think that there are quite possibly some interesting areas where larger scale grape production could be possible in the Espanola area. In addition I also think, despite some common misconceptions and stigmas, that I believe as well that with some additional study it should be possible to identify some key areas - small to moderately sized microclimate area in the geographic region stretching between 50 and 60 km's north of the north shore of Georgian Bay from Sudbury through to Sault Ste. Marie. Geographically this strip of lands still occurs within the Great Lake Forest Region, and compared to places like Brandon Manitoba where the University of Minnesota is testing hardy varieties of grapes, the region I describe is fairly temperate by comparison to the Prairie latitudes and climate. In terms of microclimate areas that should be looked at, for instance the property that I live on is on a fairly good sized and deep lake, I am located on a south facing hill. By comparison this summer was not all that great, we had a bit of light frost between the first and second week of May. If we make it to 15th., of September we will be 4 months frost free. Most years here last frost usually no later than 1st., week of May, first frost typically between the 15th., to the 25th., +/- of September. The lake typically does not freeze until the 2nd., or 3rd., week of December, sometimes as late as 1st., week in January, ice typically off between the 1st., and 2nd., week in April. I have a nice south facing slope on the east side of my house which would be sheltered from much of the north winds. Judging from what I have recently seen in terms of trellis layouts in some of the hillier areas near Ste Catherine's for example, in terms of logistics at my location, I could envision that I presently have enough space on this one slope to accommodate say 3 rows of vines. I presently have no real appreciation as yet as to how much production, if all went according to plan, from 3 rows each say 50 feet long to start, as well I would like to find out how much such a set up would typically cost to get set up in the ground. Presently I am more concerned with choosing an appropriate variety and ground preparation, than being told that such efforts are not possible in my region. Regards, Harold Tracanelli _____ From: growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com [mailto:growwine-bounces at littlefatwino.com] On Behalf Of garfield mcintosh Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:39 PM To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Subject: [Growwine] Sabrevois I will be harvesting my Sabrevois grapes for the first time this year. Is there any advise on specifics for fermentation, such as yeast variety, nutrients, ML fermentation, best time to harvest, fermenting to dryness. AQny online resources for this info? Thx Vignobles de la Cloche Sheguaindah, Manitoulin Island _____ _____ Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone Try it Now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080907/d15bf821/attachment.html From uppercanadaseeds at rogers.com Sun Sep 7 16:06:32 2008 From: uppercanadaseeds at rogers.com (David Ackerman) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:06:32 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] The list Message-ID: <48C43448.40709@rogers.com> Hi Larry...can you please remove me from the list for now? Thanks. From terry.rayner at sympatico.ca Sun Sep 7 21:12:42 2008 From: terry.rayner at sympatico.ca (Terry Rayner) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:12:42 -0400 Subject: [Growwine] Brix measurements Message-ID: Did some Brix measurements this past weekend at the Coffin Ridge vineyard. Geisenheim - 12.20 Prairie Star 16.4 and 16 (different rows) Auxxeros 13.3 Baco Noir 17.4 / 16.5 (different rows) Pinot Noir 15.8 Foch 17.2 all rows Zweigelt 13.1 Chambourcin 12.2 De Chaunac 11.8 Leon Millot 19.2 Sabrevois 13.4 Frontenac 19.6 / 16.3 (different rows) ES 6-16-30 16.1 St Croix 16.1 (interesting as a sister to Sabrevois) ES 5-17 22.8 (what is this grape) Terry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.littlefatwino.com/pipermail/growwine/attachments/20080907/4977b55d/attachment.html From pabls at yahoo.com Sun Sep 7 21:22:19 2008 From: pabls at yahoo.com (Paul Bulas) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Growwine] Brix measurements Message-ID: <831024.23509.qm@web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> One question to ask with regard to the low Brix that we see many growers reporting this year: Did the heat and rain earlier in the summer perhaps cause your vines to put out a lot of vigorous vegetative growth?? I had this situation with my Concord and Niagara and was hacking away at those renegade canes for a good part of the season just to keep the vines in form.? The fruit is ripening nicely, but isn't particularly sweet this year. Just a thought. ----- Original Message ---- From: Terry Rayner To: growwine at littlefatwino.com Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2008 9:12:42 PM Subject: [Growwine] Brix measurements Did some Brix measurements this past weekend at the Coffin Ridge vineyard. ? Geisenheim - 12.20 Prairie Star? 16.4 and 16? (different rows) Auxxeros? 13.3 Baco? Noir? 17.4 / 16.5 (different rows) Pinot Noir? 15.8 Foch? 17.2? all rows Zweigelt? 13.1 Chambourcin? 12.2 De Chaunac? 11.8 Leon Millot? 19.2 Sabrevois? 13.4 Frontenac? 19.6 / 16.3 (different rows) ES