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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I didn't use plastic mulch and the
drainage is fairly good. I guess the clay soil doesn’t help!? Anyone else’s
trying to grown vines in clay?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Doug, what type of soil do you have?
<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What about other varieties, are
they also growing that fast?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=littlefatwino1@cogeco.ca href="mailto:littlefatwino1@cogeco.ca">Larry
Paterson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=dbriden@magma.ca
href="mailto:dbriden@magma.ca">dbriden@magma.ca</A> ; <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 04, 2008 3:22
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Growwine] Normal
growth?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Doug if what I fear happens you will always be
able to remove every other vine to get five foot in-row spacing. Sounds
like your soil is a little vigorous to start with. Can anyone from the
midwest chip in here?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From my experience and what I've heard the best
way to ensure that Frontenac grapes have their acidity under control is to
ensure that they are well exposed to the sun from veraison to
harvest. Vigorous growth can make this a very tough goal.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We have found that keeping the growth off even
our five rows 120 feet long is a chunk of work when the buggers want to keep
growing. And this year, they just keep growing - around Peterborough any
sunny day just means you get a chance to cut the tops off the mushrooms and
clover where your lawn used to grow.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>best of luck in any case</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Lardy</DIV>
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<DIV>Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc<BR>(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol
Distribution Channels Critic)</DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=dbriden@magma.ca href="mailto:dbriden@magma.ca">Doug Briden</A> </DIV>
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href="mailto:growwine@littlefatwino.com">growwine@littlefatwino.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 04, 2008 3:07 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Growwine] Normal growth?</DIV></DIV>
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<P>Larry, this vineyard plot is a much smaller scale area. There are 16 rows a
little over 200 feet long and 8 feet apart high density planted at 30 inch
spacing. Yes I expect alot of hedging and cluster thinning but the idea is to
go for less fruit of better quality per vine and yield prety much the same
tonnage per acre but nowhere near enough to fill that monster press Muro has
for sale ! When installing the plastic mulch my bedder/layer has the option to
install drip tubing under the mulch. This is the easiest and most cost
efficient irrigation and I will likely not have to use it at all next
year as the roots will be deep enough unless we hit a real dry spell and if we
do it's there.</P>
<P>Doug.</P>
<P>Luskville, QC<BR><BR><BR><BR><B>On Mon 04/08/08 08:20 , "Larry Paterson"
littlefatwino1@cogeco.ca sent:<BR></P></B>
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question</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">How far apart are
your vines, and what spacing between the rows? If you are feeding them
more than a tiny amount you may end up spending the rest of your life with a
hedge trimmer...</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>Lardy</DIV>
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<DIV>Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc<BR>(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk,
Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)</DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=dbriden@magma.ca href="mailto:dbriden@magma.ca">Doug Briden</A> </DIV>
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href="mailto:growwine@littlefatwino.com">growwine@littlefatwino.com</A>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 04, 2008 12:07 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Growwine] Normal growth?</DIV></DIV>
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<P><SPAN
style="COLOR: #ff0000">Anthony Carone wrote </SPAN></P>
<DIV><SPAN
style="COLOR: #ff0000">You should be fine unless they are planted on plastic mulch or you have an ill-draining site.
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style="COLOR: #ff0000"></SPAN>I planted Frontenac in plastic this spring ad I am in the process of installing trellis due to the vigour of these plants most of which exceed 4 feet and many over 6 feet.
I can't cut the grass between the rows as the tops of the vines have grown well beyond the planting stakes we put in to hold them for the first year.
The wood is already starting to harden off nicely.
Due to the amount of rain I have only irrigated twice this year via drip
tape beneath the plastic and the second irrigation was primarily for feeding
as the vines had enough water. I'll try to post a few pictures this week if
I get the time.</DIV>
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<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
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<DIV>Doug.</DIV>
<DIV>Luskville,QC</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><BR><BR><B>On Sun 03/08/08 11:19 ,
Canada Vintage canadavintage@hotmail.com sent:<BR></DIV></B>
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class=hmmessage>You should be fine unless they are planted on plastic mulch or you have an ill-draining site.
<BR> <BR>Pull a vine out and see if there is a whitish fungus growing on the roots.
If so, <BR>then,
I would expect you may have root rot occurring on account of all the water.<BR><BR><BR>Anthony Carone
(Zone 4b-5a)<BR>Canada Vintage - Carone Vineyards,
a division of Carone Enterprises<BR><BR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>www.CanadaVintage.com<BR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR><BR><BR>
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<BR>From: nicholas.carriere@videotron.ca<BR>To:
growwine@littlefatwino.com<BR>Date: Sun,
3 Aug 2008 10:48:42 -0400<BR>Subject: [Growwine]
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’m new in the viticulture field and I planted 200 new plants
(Frontenac, Sabrevois,
Louise Swenson and ES 6-16-30) in June.
Unfortunately with all the rain we're having
(30 days of rain in the last 2 months),
I don't think they are going very well.
After 2 months they are averaging 14 inches in height with some of them around 24 inches.
Is this normal considering the weather?
Does anyone have the same problem this year?
In perfect conditions how tall should they be after 2 months?</SPAN> </P>
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