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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If you have true heavy clay you need to
tile drain between every row. Our Frontenac is 3 foot spacing and as it gets to
4 years or so it is going to 4 cane Kniffen on two trunks. The only irrigation
we do is on the first year planting if they are starting to wilt. I think this
forces their roots down.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Neil<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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growwine-bounces@littlefatwino.com [mailto:growwine-bounces@littlefatwino.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Nicholas Carrière<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> August 4, 2008 16:01<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">growwine@littlefatwino.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Growwine] <st1:place
w:st="on">Normal</st1:place> growth?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I didn't use plastic mulch and the drainage is fairly good.
I guess the clay soil doesn’t help!? Anyone else’s trying to grown vines in
clay?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Doug, what type of soil do you have? What about other
varieties, are they also growing that fast?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Merci!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:littlefatwino1@cogeco.ca" title="littlefatwino1@cogeco.ca">Larry
Paterson</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:dbriden@magma.ca" title="dbriden@magma.ca">dbriden@magma.ca</a> ; <a
href="mailto:growwine@littlefatwino.com" title="growwine@littlefatwino.com">growwine@littlefatwino.com</a>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday, August 04,
2008 3:22 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: [Growwine] <st1:place
w:st="on">Normal</st1:place> growth?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Doug if what I fear happens you will always be able to
remove every other vine to get five foot in-row spacing. Sounds like your
soil is a little vigorous to start with. Can anyone from the midwest chip
in here?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>From my experience and what I've heard the best way to
ensure that Frontenac grapes have their acidity under control is to ensure that
they are well exposed to the sun from veraison to harvest. Vigorous
growth can make this a very tough goal.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>We have found that keeping the growth off even our five rows
120 feet long is a chunk of work when the buggers want to keep growing.
And this year, they just keep growing - around <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Peterborough</st1:place></st1:City> any sunny day just means you get
a chance to cut the tops off the mushrooms and clover where your lawn used to
grow.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>best of luck in any case</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc<br>
(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:dbriden@magma.ca" title="dbriden@magma.ca">Doug Briden</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:growwine@littlefatwino.com" title="growwine@littlefatwino.com">growwine@littlefatwino.com</a>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday, August 04,
2008 3:07 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: [Growwine] <st1:place
w:st="on">Normal</st1:place> growth?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Larry,
this vineyard plot is a much smaller scale area. There are 16 rows a little
over 200 feet long and 8 feet apart high density planted at 30 inch spacing.
Yes I expect alot of hedging and cluster thinning but the idea is to go for
less fruit of better quality per vine and yield prety much the same tonnage per
acre but nowhere near enough to fill that monster press Muro has for sale !
When installing the plastic mulch my bedder/layer has the option to install
drip tubing under the mulch. This is the easiest and most cost efficient
irrigation and I will likely not have to use it at all next year as the
roots will be deep enough unless we hit a real dry spell and if we do it's
there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Doug.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Luskville</span></font></st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">QC</st1:State></st1:place><br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Mon 04/08/08 08:20 , "Larry
Paterson" littlefatwino1@cogeco.ca sent:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Doug a question</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>How far apart are your vines, and what spacing between the
rows? If you are feeding them more than a tiny amount you may end up
spending the rest of your life with a hedge trimmer...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'>Lardy<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc<br>
(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk, Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:dbriden@magma.ca" title="dbriden@magma.ca">Doug Briden</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:growwine@littlefatwino.com" title="growwine@littlefatwino.com">growwine@littlefatwino.com</a>
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday, August 04,
2008 12:07 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: [Growwine] <st1:place
w:st="on">Normal</st1:place> growth?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 color=red face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:red'>Anthony Carone wrote </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:red'>You should be fine unless they are planted on plastic mulch or you have an ill-draining site.
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I planted Frontenac in plastic this spring ad I am in the process of installing trellis due to the vigour of these plants most of which exceed 4 feet and many over 6 feet.
I can't cut the grass between the rows as the tops of the vines have grown well beyond the planting stakes we put in to hold them for the first year.
The wood is already starting to harden off nicely.
Due to the amount of rain I have only irrigated twice this year via drip tape
beneath the plastic and the second irrigation was primarily for feeding as the
vines had enough water. I'll try to post a few pictures this week if I get the
time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Doug.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Luskville</span></font></st1:City>,<st1:State
w:st="on">QC</st1:State></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Sun 03/08/08 11:19 , <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region> Vintage <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">canadavintage@hotmail.com</st1:PersonName> sent:<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>You should be fine unless they are planted on plastic mulch or you have an ill-draining site.
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Pull a vine out and see if there is a whitish fungus growing on the roots.
If so, <br>
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I would expect you may have root rot occurring on account of all the water.<br>
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Anthony Carone (Zone 4b-5a)<br>
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- Carone Vineyards, a division of Carone Enterprises<br>
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From: nicholas.carriere@videotron.ca<br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">growwine@littlefatwino.com</st1:PersonName><br>
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 10:48:42 -0400<br>
Subject: [Growwine] <st1:place w:st="on">Normal</st1:place> growth?<br>
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<p class=ecmsonormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I’m new in the viticulture field and I planted 200 new plants
(Frontenac, Sabrevois,
Louise Swenson and ES 6-16-30) in June.
Unfortunately with all the rain we're having
(30 days of rain in the last 2 months),
I don't think they are going very well.
After 2 months they are averaging 14 inches in height with some of them around 24 inches.
Is this normal considering the weather?
Does anyone have the same problem this year?
In perfect conditions how tall should they be after 2 months? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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