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we have clay loam with 8% of organic matter. We worked the
soils last fall to correct the compaction. As for the drainage, I have to say
that it’s not that bad, there’s no water accumulation and it dries fairly
quickly after rain with some small exceptions (5 plants of Frontenac). With all
the rain we had last week, the soil stays moist but not wet. </SPAN></P>
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<A title=canadavintage@hotmail.com
href="mailto:canadavintage@hotmail.com">Canada Vintage</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=growwine@littlefatwino.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 05, 2008 5:39
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Growwine] Normal
growth?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Was your soil deep trenched prior to planting? Was it
chiselled, plowed, or disced?<BR>You could be dealing with compaction on clay
soil that is limiting your growth.<BR><BR>BTW, drainage is never good on
clay...<BR><BR>Anthony Carone (Zone 4b-5a)<BR>Canada Vintage - Carone
Vineyards, a division of Carone
Enterprises<BR><BR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR><A
href="http://www.CanadaVintage.com">www.CanadaVintage.com</A><BR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR><BR>
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From: nicholas.carriere@videotron.ca<BR>To:
growwine@littlefatwino.com<BR>Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:00:45 -0400<BR>Subject:
Re: [Growwine] Normal growth?<BR><BR>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I
didn't use plastic mulch and the drainage is fairly good. I guess the clay
soil doesn’t help!? Anyone else’s trying to grown vines in clay?</SPAN></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Doug,
what type of soil do you have? <SPAN> </SPAN>What about other varieties,
are they also growing that fast?</SPAN></P>
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<A title=littlefatwino1@cogeco.ca
href="mailto:littlefatwino1@cogeco.ca">Larry Paterson</A> </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=dbriden@magma.ca
href="mailto:dbriden@magma.ca">dbriden@magma.ca</A> ; <A
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Re: [Growwine] Normal growth?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Doug if what I fear happens you will always be
able to remove every other vine to get five foot in-row spacing.
Sounds like your soil is a little vigorous to start with. Can anyone
from the midwest chip in here?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From my experience and what I've heard the best
way to ensure that Frontenac grapes have their acidity under control is to
ensure that they are well exposed to the sun from veraison to
harvest. Vigorous growth can make this a very tough goal.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We have found that keeping the growth off even
our five rows 120 feet long is a chunk of work when the buggers want to keep
growing. And this year, they just keep growing - around Peterborough
any sunny day just means you get a chance to cut the tops off the mushrooms
and clover where your lawn used to grow.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>best of luck in any case</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Lardy</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc<BR>(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk,
Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)</DIV>
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<A title=dbriden@magma.ca href="mailto:dbriden@magma.ca">Doug Briden</A>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 04, 2008 3:07 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Growwine] Normal growth?</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Larry, this vineyard plot is a much smaller scale area. There
are 16 rows a little over 200 feet long and 8 feet apart high density
planted at 30 inch spacing. Yes I expect alot of hedging and cluster
thinning but the idea is to go for less fruit of better quality per vine and
yield prety much the same tonnage per acre but nowhere near enough to fill
that monster press Muro has for sale ! When installing the plastic mulch my
bedder/layer has the option to install drip tubing under the mulch. This is
the easiest and most cost efficient irrigation and I will likely not
have to use it at all next year as the roots will be deep enough unless we
hit a real dry spell and if we do it's there.<BR>Doug.<BR>Luskville,
QC<BR><BR><BR><BR><B>On Mon 04/08/08 08:20 , "Larry Paterson"
littlefatwino1@cogeco.ca sent:<BR></B><BR>
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question</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">How far apart are
your vines, and what spacing between the rows? If you are feeding
them more than a tiny amount you may end up spending the rest of your life
with a hedge trimmer...</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>Lardy</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc<BR>(Little Fat Wino, Roving Drunk,
Alcohol Distribution Channels Critic)</DIV>
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<A title=dbriden@magma.ca href="mailto:dbriden@magma.ca">Doug Briden</A>
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<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=growwine@littlefatwino.com
href="mailto:growwine@littlefatwino.com">growwine@littlefatwino.com</A>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 04, 2008 12:07 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Growwine] Normal growth?</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)">Anthony Carone wrote </SPAN><BR>
<DIV><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)">You should be fine unless they are planted on plastic mulch or you have an ill-draining site.
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<DIV><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"></SPAN>I planted Frontenac in plastic this spring ad I am in the process of installing trellis due to the vigour of these plants most of which exceed 4 feet and many over 6 feet.
I can't cut the grass between the rows as the tops of the vines have grown well beyond the planting stakes we put in to hold them for the first year.
The wood is already starting to harden off nicely.
Due to the amount of rain I have only irrigated twice this year via drip
tape beneath the plastic and the second irrigation was primarily for
feeding as the vines had enough water. I'll try to post a few pictures
this week if I get the time.</DIV>
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<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Doug.</DIV>
<DIV>Luskville,QC</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><BR><BR><B>On Sun 03/08/08 11:19 ,
Canada Vintage canadavintage@hotmail.com sent:<BR></B></DIV>
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You should be fine unless they are planted on plastic mulch or you have an ill-draining site.
<BR> <BR>Pull a vine out and see if there is a whitish fungus growing on the roots.
If so, <BR>then,
I would expect you may have root rot occurring on account of all the water.<BR><BR><BR>Anthony Carone
(Zone 4b-5a)<BR>Canada Vintage - Carone Vineyards,
a division of Carone Enterprises<BR><BR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>www.CanadaVintage.com<BR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR><BR><BR>
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<BR>From: nicholas.carriere@videotron.ca<BR>To:
growwine@littlefatwino.com<BR>Date: Sun,
3 Aug 2008 10:48:42 -0400<BR>Subject: [Growwine]
Normal growth?<BR><BR><BR>
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<P class=EC_EC_MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’m new in the viticulture field and I planted 200 new plants
(Frontenac, Sabrevois,
Louise Swenson and ES 6-16-30) in June.
Unfortunately with all the rain we're having
(30 days of rain in the last 2 months),
I don't think they are going very well.
After 2 months they are averaging 14 inches in height with some of them around 24 inches.
Is this normal considering the weather?
Does anyone have the same problem this year?
In perfect conditions how tall should they be after 2 months?</SPAN> </P>
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