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<P>We have a range of soil types as do most farms. Our upper fields are on top of a ridge and are comprised mostly of a sandy loam with very good drainage. This is where I planted in the plastic mulch this year. The main portions of the vineyard run down the south faced slope and the soil varies from sandy loam to clay loam to clay. The vines (Frontenac) are more vigorous in the sandy loam and clay loam areas than the pure clay by as much as 100% in spots it will be interesting to see the difference in acid levels between the normal vigour and high vigor patches as Larry pointed out. The Swenson varieties are less vigorous than the frontenac but are also doing well (st. Croix, 5-17, 6-16-30, 8-2-43) and also differ in terms of vigour in the more loamy soil but not as wide a difference as the Frontenac. I have two poor performers Louise Swenson and Sabrevois now gone. The sabrevois was in a poor location (wet) and were planted too late in the year as for the LS others have said they are much slower so I may give them another year to see. </P>
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<B>On Mon 04/08/08 16:00 , Nicholas Carrière nicholas.carriere@videotron.ca sent:<br>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I didn't use plastic mulch and the drainage is fairly good. I guess the clay soil doesn’t help!? Anyone else’s trying to grown vines in clay?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Doug, what type of soil do you have? <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What about other varieties, are they also growing that fast?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=littlefatwino1@cogeco.ca href="mailto:littlefatwino1@cogeco.ca">Larry Paterson</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 04, 2008 3:22 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Doug if what I fear happens you will always be able to remove every other vine to get five foot in-row spacing. Sounds like your soil is a little vigorous to start with. Can anyone from the midwest chip in here?</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From my experience and what I've heard the best way to ensure that Frontenac grapes have their acidity under control is to ensure that they are well exposed to the sun from veraison to harvest. Vigorous growth can make this a very tough goal.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We have found that keeping the growth off even our five rows 120 feet long is a chunk of work when the buggers want to keep growing. And this year, they just keep growing - around Peterborough any sunny day just means you get a chance to cut the tops off the mushrooms and clover where your lawn used to grow.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc<br>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=dbriden@magma.ca href="mailto:dbriden@magma.ca">Doug Briden</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 04, 2008 3:07 PM</DIV>
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<P>Larry, this vineyard plot is a much smaller scale area. There are 16 rows a little over 200 feet long and 8 feet apart high density planted at 30 inch spacing. Yes I expect alot of hedging and cluster thinning but the idea is to go for less fruit of better quality per vine and yield prety much the same tonnage per acre but nowhere near enough to fill that monster press Muro has for sale ! When installing the plastic mulch my bedder/layer has the option to install drip tubing under the mulch. This is the easiest and most cost efficient irrigation and I will likely not have to use it at all next year as the roots will be deep enough unless we hit a real dry spell and if we do it's there.</P>
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<B>On Mon 04/08/08 08:20 , "Larry Paterson" littlefatwino1@cogeco.ca sent:<br>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">How far apart are your vines, and what spacing between the rows? If you are feeding them more than a tiny amount you may end up spending the rest of your life with a hedge trimmer...</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>Larry Paterson, lfw, rd, adcc<br>
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<P><SPAN style="COLOR: #ff0000">Anthony Carone wrote </SPAN></P>
<DIV><SPAN style="COLOR: #ff0000">You should be fine unless they are planted on plastic mulch or you have an ill-draining site. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="COLOR: #ff0000"></SPAN>I planted Frontenac in plastic this spring ad I am in the process of installing trellis due to the vigour of these plants most of which exceed 4 feet and many over 6 feet. I can't cut the grass between the rows as the tops of the vines have grown well beyond the planting stakes we put in to hold them for the first year. The wood is already starting to harden off nicely. Due to the amount of rain I have only irrigated twice this year via drip tape beneath the plastic and the second irrigation was primarily for feeding as the vines had enough water. I'll try to post a few pictures this week if I get the time.</DIV>
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<DIV>Doug.</DIV>
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Pull a vine out and see if there is a whitish fungus growing on the roots. If so, <br>
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From: nicholas.carriere@videotron.ca<br>
To: growwine@littlefatwino.com<br>
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 10:48:42 -0400<br>
Subject: [Growwine] Normal growth?<br>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’m new in the viticulture field and I planted 200 new plants (Frontenac, Sabrevois, Louise Swenson and ES 6-16-30) in June. Unfortunately with all the rain we're having (30 days of rain in the last 2 months), I don't think they are going very well. After 2 months they are averaging 14 inches in height with some of them around 24 inches. Is this normal considering the weather? Does anyone have the same problem this year? In perfect conditions how tall should they be after 2 months?</SPAN> </P>
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