<div dir="ltr">It is interesting, maybe there's something to your theory, as I've noticed that the riparia around has definitely been earlier this year. I saw shoots on vines growing in the dunes at Sandbanks Park in PEC that were well past veraison and were already black and ripening on the August 8th. Some of the riparia around Toronto are already getting picked clean by the birds. <br>
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My theory is we see the opposite of 2001 or 2002, which was pretty dry after
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Riparia means rivergrape. Likely riparias and derivatives just really like moist
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Would have been fun to have a vinifera around to compared ( Regent only
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As for numbers, In Compton, eastern Townships of Quebec, on Aug 31st, at
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Brianna: 13.8 B ( neglected. should have been hedged, leafpulled,
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Radisson 11.2 B (idem. also uneven véraison. ugly ugly ugly)</span></font>
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Fairly clean with several copper sprays except for quite a bit of anthranose in
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